Let meddleweed age, with some empty space around it. It has a chance to drop Crumbspore or one of the mold types when harvested, if it’s mature.
Now if only I could get some damn Bakeberries to spawn…
And I finally read someone else online using my exponential strategy… except that they had an even simpler, and much, much faster, version of it. See, it turns out that the money you get from selling a building isn’t 85% of what you paid for it: It’s 85% of what the next one would cost. That is, 97.75% of what you paid for it. Which means that an exponential strategy was possible as soon as the Pantheon game came online. And yet, the vast majority of the community was ignoring it in favor of unreliable triple-frenzy supercombos. But you just know that there’s someone out there somewhere who’s been following it all this time, and now has a googol cookies baked.
Doug K., even without fungi, you should be able to get Bakeberries (2 wheat), Gildmillet (Corn + Crone), regular and golden clover (gildmillet + wheat, though golden is really rare), and Shimmerlily (clover + gildmillet). After that, though, you’ll need brown mold and crumbspore (from harvesting mature weeds), and the things that follow from them.
Right now, all I still need are juicy queenbeets and golden clover, both of which are quite elusive. Plus fern tea, duketater biscuits, and elderwort biscuits: The tea and wort biscuits should be doable by running overnight, but the duketater biscuits are going to be a pain, with their relatively long immaturity and rapid decay.
If you’re hunting the upgrades, get green yeast digestives (from green rot) first. It’s fairly easy, and will make the others slightly more likely to drop.
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Bump…
Just when I thought I was ready to get out of the game, they drag me back in with a new building, Javascript Consoles (“creates cookies from the very code this game was written in”)
Gah! You suck, you pulled me in too when I saw this thread last week.
My account from over three years ago was still going, so I quickly reincarnated to check out the new (to me) heavenly cookies deal and it’s been off to the races. All the mini-games were new to me as well.
I’ve been reincarnating daily-ish, and so far I have all heavenly chip upgrades that cost less than 40 million, and only those. Each reincarnation the most expensive building gets to 200 pretty quick, and most are in the 300 - 400 range within, I dunno, a half hour? A majority are 400 or higher within an hour, dragon fully upgraded. (production x2 and sugar cubes)
My current strategy uses Conjure Baked Goods. The goal is to stack frenzy + building bonus (level 400) and cast it twice for 1800 seconds * 7 frenzy * 40 building bonus = 504k seconds of production each cast. Building Bonus is listed as around a 10% chance, so one in ten followups to frenzy isn’t hard to wait for. (Wrath cookies probably make it more like 1 in 12 to 15. Still, not super rare.)
The trick is the cap of 15% of your bank, meaning you need 3.36m seconds worth in the bank to cover it. Mainly prematurely popping wrinklers; I popped the first 6 or 8 once I had that many, then let all 12 arrive and nibble for two hours. Popping them all now it’s 3.5 hours into this ascension and I have just over 1 million seconds worth in the bank. A third of the way there. Plus I have a full mana bar and two successful casts queued up; I’m ready to go!
Requiring no mouse dexterity, and no super rare event, on success you net 11 days, 16 hours worth of cps in a moment with a forgivingly long window to react. (Something like 20 to 30 seconds at least.) Whaddya think? Is almost 12 days at once decent, or are there better ways to generate like a month of cps in one shot, maybe?
Seems like a good strategy… 
Actually, Elder Frenzy all by itself is x666, well above the combination x280 if you stack frenzy and building bonus. Since adopting my strategy I’ve gotten two Elder Frenzies but only one combo, and that combo was with javascript so I only had 200.
The first (poor) combo helped establish a bank, or at least to 50% of goal, so the first elder frenzy generated 6 days 5 hours in one shot. Popping the wrinklers this afternoon after running offline last night got me the rest of the way to 3 million seconds, and just now an elder frenzy appeared giving me (slightly over) 1 million seconds of production.
Specifically, my cps is 172 octillion and the two elder frenzy baked goods I just cast conjured 67 then 72 decillion cookies, or thereabouts, totaling around 1,009,368 seconds which is 11 days, 16 hours and 41 minutes. Nice!
Good grief, while typing this just now I got a perfect combo (level 400 building) but of course I don’t have the mana or even two guaranteed successes queued up yet. Still, nice to see like 30-45 seconds of 280x production if only to jumpstart the fresh wrinklers. (15 minutes to respawn all 12.)
But yeah, I think I like the 1 million seconds at once technique.
Started anew about 6 weeks ago. Almost immediately there was a glitch in my favour - when I refreshed the browser it thought I was away for over 700 days and it gave me 700 sugar lumps. That has helped of course, but not as much as you would think. I still have a few hundred left after bumping several buildings up to Level 10.
I make about 95% of my cookies in the Garden by growing Bakeberrys which return 30 minutes of CPS when harvested. That’s 30 minutes of the current CPS, so you harvest in a frenzy/building-special for zillions of cookies (same as Ellis Dee described in #1065).
I’ve been playing for 1335 days and have ascended 27 times. For most of that time I’ve been pretty idle; I played actively for about a month right after the latest new building/upgrades were introduced. Now I just check in once a week or so, so that I continue earning 80% of my CPS while the game is closed. I have both the Shimmering Veil and the Golden Switch working for me, and my cps is 670 duodecillion. I’ve made 1.51 quindecillion cookies all time, almost all of them on this run.
I agree that casting Conjure Baked Goods, especially while some major cookie buff is in play, is the most significant source of income in the late game. I just managed to unlock the Duketater, which gives 2 hours of CPS when harvested. I plant as many of those as I can when I get a cookie that vastly reduces my CPS, and therefore the price of planting. Then, once mature, I keep them frozen until I’ve gotten some massive buff.
Here’s my save if you want to check it out:
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I’m about an -illion behind you, around 100 undecillion cps with veil and switch, 26 undecillion when fishing for elder frenzy.
My garden is 6x6, and I have no idea what to spend my sugar lumps on. I have around 20. I used my first two post-garden lumps tonight, both to refill my mana bar. Once to do a double Conjure Baked Goods during an elder frenzy, and a second one just now:
My next two spells queued up were Click Frenzy and Frenzy. Full mana bar. I get a building bonus (370, meh) so I cast the first cookie, sugar lumped a full mana bar and cast the second. I chose the frenzy cookie first, then the click frenzy.
At the cost of a sugar lump, that building bonus + frenzy + click frenzy got me almost exactly 140 tredecillion. That works out to over 60 days worth of cps. For comparison, an elder frenzy conjure baked goods would have maxed out at 31 tredecillion, so 62 for both. That requires 300 tredecillion in the bank to cover the 15% cap, and I only had 157 in the bank at the time. That 140 from the sugar lump just got me to the magic 300, so yay! The 700 tredecillion kitten will be mine!
Is there a better use for sugar than magic? Outside of that, I think the 1% boost per lump is better cps than investing them into building upgrades. (Once garden is full size, of course.) So should I just stockpile however many it costs to upgrade all buildings to 10 and then upgrade all to 10 at once?
Re-reading that, I think I got every number wrong. They convey the gist, at least. (Elder frenzy needs 208 to cover the 31 per conjure baked goods, not 300. etc…)
The best use for sugar lumps is to unlock minigames. I assume you’ve already done that.
Second-best is to hold onto 100 of them for the thing that gives you 1% per lump (up to 100).
Third-best is to get all buildings to level 10, for the achievements (and hence milk). You probably won’t have that for a while.
After that, yeah, probably magic. Using them on the Garden or Pantheon only saves you a few minutes or hours, in a game with scales measured in years.
The Heavenly Upgrade “Sugar Craving” will allow you to start a “Sugar Frenzy” once per ascension - this will triple rate for an hour. This costs one sugar lump. You can have a very productive hour if you set up things beforehand (like having a garden full of BakeBerries ready to harvest).
In terms of keeping a frozen garden at the ready, I kind of like just filling the garden with baker’s wheat and clay dirt. With 36 plants that gives you a +45% cps boost when unfreezing. That can be nice when elder frenzy fishing.
Also it’s a million times easier to get 36 mature baker’s wheat ready to go compared to, say, 36 duketaters.
Yeah, Duketaters are a PITA - it’s impossible to get more than half of them mature at the same time.
That’s why I use Bakeberries - grow fairly quickly and are mature for a long time. Provide the same 1% buff that Baker’s Wheat does but with the added bonus when harvested of 30 minutes CPS
Bakeberries now provide 99% of my cookies in the End Game.
Now that he’s closed the loophole I was using, nothing I could possibly do could make any significant difference to my cookies baked all time, so I’m mostly just going for badges and 100% upgrades at this point. Which mostly means waiting for sugar to upgrade buildings.
Yeah that sounds solid, I’m switching to that immediately. Let’s see if I can do better with numbers today:
An elder frenzy bakeberry harvest would be 36 plants * 30 minutes * 666 elder = 500 days worth of cps in one shot. (43 million seconds, wow!) No spells or sugar required, but you are capped at 3% of your bank per plant.
1 plant * 30 minutes * 666 elder * 60 seconds in a minute = 1.198 million seconds per plant you’re trying to earn, so 3% of bank = 1.198 million means your bank needs to be 39.93 million seconds. That’s a staggeringly high number – I’m sitting pretty well at 4 million seconds in the bank, but that’s an order of magnitude low.
That makes it scale better at higher bank totals. Assuming you’re capped by the 3% limit for a while, that translates into 36 * (bank * 0.03) = 1.08 * bank, meaning just over double your bank? Wow! That is massively better than what I’ve ever managed.
I really like my sugar lumping 2 spells once per ascension to jumpstart the bank. Building bonus + frenzy (spell) + click frenzy (spell) seemed to generate around 1.5 million seconds without any cap from your bank total, so that’s a good quick jump start. Then fish for elder frenzies where you harvest the bakeberry to double your bank each time.
So because of the ridiculously large return, do you just plant them all at regular cost and not worry about it? 36 * 45 minutes = ~100,000 seconds, similar to veil, which seems like a lot but when you’re prepping it for millions, I guess it’s not.
Actually, I’m at 4 million seconds with horn and veil. Turning those off to fish for golden cookies puts my bank at 14.7 million seconds. Two elder frenzy baked goods would be worth 2.4 million seconds combined, then immediately harvest the bakeberry for another 18.5 million seconds (!) bringing me from 14.7 million to 33.1 million seconds from the next elder frenzy I see? Yeah, I’m all over that.
For comparison, the building bonus + frenzy (spell) + click frenzy (spell) generated around 6 million seconds, so over twice as good as my elder baked goodsx2 but still only a third as good as the bakeberry method. (In the previous post I said it was 1.5 million seconds, but again was erroneously using horn + veil cps to calculate the seconds. It was actually more like 6 million.)
Having successfully completed this twice now, here’s my new easily repeatable big money move thanks to you guys. Veil and Horn can be on or off to start; it doesn’t matter either way. The cost of planting seeds is trivial.
- Switch to Fertilizer, plant 36 Bakeberries
- Turn Veil and Horn On (in that order) if they aren’t already
- During the hour-forty or so the bakeberries are maturing, cue up a building bonus spell
- Once all plants are mature, switch to Clay, turn off horn. No need to freeze.
- The first Frenzy you get, cast your building bonus spell and then harvest the garden
- After frenzy ends, pop all wrinklers then repeat process (switch to fertilizer, etc…)
This will over double your bank each time, up to 27 million seconds. (315 days.) And it’s easily repeatable in a fairly predictable 2 hours.
The building bonus spells are pretty common, and of course spell order is predetermined so you can readily cue them up. You can even save scum the building bonus spell to force a good one like cursors or grandmas.
It takes around 6 minutes to regen the mana from one Haggler’s spell even if you do 3 at a time, so you can go through 15 or 16 spells while the plants mature. It took me maybe 10 spells to find the first one, then only 6 spells to find the second. You can look ahead up to 7 spells at a time, and burn up to 5 at once, though that would probably be more like an hour to regen just those 5.
Prior to this I was at 26 undecillion cps while fishing for golden cookies with a bank of 438 tredecillion. That was enough to max elder frenzy conjure baked goods, totaling 60 tredecillion from the two casts. I thought that was good.
Using the bakeberry technique, the first time my bank went from 438 tredecillion to 1.237 quattuordecillion – almost triple! – and then the second brought me from there up to 2.354 quattuordecillion. I spent a quattuordecillion of that total on upgrades, so my veil + horn cps is now up to 417 undecillion, four times higher than it was largely thanks to the 700 tredecillion kitten.
2354 - 438 = 1916 tredecillion increase / 26 undecillion = 73 million seconds (845 days) of production in an instant. At this level, wrinklers are irrelevant. Virtually all of my my bank is from bakeberry. No need to hope for an elder frenzy, and no need to use sugar.