So my brother is in jail, again.

Well, I got a call from my brother at 3:00 in the morning to say that he was in jail, and he couldn’t reach our mom. Unfortunatly, this is not his first time to be picked up. He is currently on probation and now he has screwed up again.

And then there is my mom. She is completely unable to do stuff for herself. Mtgman would tell you all that my apron strings have never been cut and are made of titanium. :wink: So I of course had to go to her house to try to help her. However, since my brother doesn’t have a job, and yet still goes out to “party” 3 or 4 nights a week, and my mother is giving him money for that she has no money to bail him out. Plus he has no drivers licence and no insurance. :smack: Yes they are both idiots.

So I end up spending the entire day with my mom crying about how she should let him “rot in there” and about how she really wants to get him out. ARGGHGGGGHHGGHGGGHHHHH! Someone slap her for me please.

No, Mtgman you are not allowed to slap her for me. :smiley:

I think your brother is the one who needs a slapping, causing your mom all that grief. It isn’t good that she supports him and bails him out, but she’s in full mom mode, feeling like she needs to care for him.

When I don’t agree with my mom on her decisions, I’ve finally learned to say, “I don’t like it, but if that’s what you feel you need to do, I’ll try to be supportive”. Because sometimes it’s necessary to just be there for your family and skip the judgement call.

I can definitely empathize, Mox. My ex is in prison in Virginia doing time for murder and my http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=120590&highlight=fortysix"]aunt is awaiting trial in Travis County that will probably result in some jail time.

E-mail me if you need to vent. (Address is below)

Robin

Well, maybe your brother will get a large enough bail set soneday so your mom can’t bail him out. Something to hope for…

Yes, stolatt my brother needs to be slapped too. My father died 4 1/2 years ago, and my mom is still not over that. She says that my brother is all she has left.

Thank you for the offer, MsRobyn. I may just take you up on that. My family has always had a few of those dark family secrets, too. They were always farther removed though. Like my moms uncle who killed his wife in front of their son. He did some time but got out and most of the family acted as if nothing happened. There was also my moms cousin who was a drunk and he would show up at our house in the middle of the night stay a few days and then we wouldn’t see him for a year or more. My dads side of the family was smaller, but then again, he stopped talking to his other two children, from a previous marriage.

Actually, yojimboguy she doesn’t have the money this time. She is trying to come up with the money to get the truck out of the pound, and she said she needs to get my brother out by Thursday because he is suppossed to start classes as part of his probation. But he violated his probation, so will it even matter?
I guess I just needed conformation, again that my family is messed up. I am really trying to limit my time with them especially since I have kids now. They are all so young and impressionable.

So what does that make you? Man, I bet that stings!

Wise move, I’m sure. Won’t mess up you and your kids, or cause your husband to explode. :wink:

Yes, ** tisiphone** she sometimes acts and talks like I do nothing for her. Then there are the times when she says she doesn’t know what she would do without me. Of course, there are also the times when she says my dad was the only one that ever loved her.

Update for anyone crazy enough to want one. I drove my mom out to the middle of nowhere where my brother is so that she could pick up the truck and post the bonds. She had scraped just enough money together to do that, but there are still two fines to pay before he can get out. It was an hour and a half drive there. I did what I could without offering any money but it still wasn’t much appreciated. Well, she said she appreciated it, she just didn’t act like it. I am going to have a long talk with my brother when he gets out. This has finally started to affect my family and I won’t allow that. Mtgman and I had planned to donate blood yesterday, and then go to the library with the kids. We did go to the library, but the blood donating was put off till next week.

Are we realated?

BIL #1 spent time in jail for smacking around crack addict girlfriend and taking her car (which she reported stolen) to go out and look for her while she binged.
Ran up our phone bill by calling collect from the jail twenty times a day.
No joke folks we had a $300 and some odd dollar phone bill.
BIL #2 back in jail, headed for prison for the same shit he got out four years ago for!
Writting bad checks and scamming money from people to support his crack habit.
Also running up our phone bill on stupid calls.
Finally hubby got the annex and jail numbers blocked so they can’t call.
My Father in law passed in December and hubby, mother in law and I are doing all we can to keep the house afloat.
BIL #1 is now out but my MIL payed for his jail stay and probably would have paid his fines if she could have. We tried to explain to her that they would have just tacked that four dollars a day on to his fines but he had her convinced otherwise, and how would we know since neither one of us has ever been to jail?
Well, gosh, how do other people without mommies and wifes pay for there jail stay?

I know of your frustration.
We pay a majority of the bills around here, and my free loading brother in laws get everything just handed over to them because they aren’t as strong as we are.
Um, no, they are just lazy and know when they have a free ride.
BIL #2 stole a check out of FIL’s check book, and on the day of the visitation after putting her brother to rest the day before we got a phone call from the bank saying this check came in for a couple thousand and bounced some of the bills!
She didn’t press charges!
He promised to pay it back!
Well, he did. He got my nephew who’s father killed himself three years ago in May to move out here and asked him to float him a loan for something or another. He took my nephews school money and paid back the bank and told everyone else that said nephew never gave him any money.
But he was also nice enough to pawn off everything the child had shortly after that. Most of it sentimental from his father.

I know it’s a big mess, and the way your mother sounds it’s like you aren’t doing anything helpfull, but you are.
You are keeping your children and this mess out of their lives.
Mothers are going to stick up for their children no matter what they do, and your mom and my MIL seem to be taking that to an extreme.
There is a time where you just have to bite your tongue and let them fall. It isn’t pretty but sometimes it has to be done.
They just can’t seem to do it.
I’m sure it isn’t helping your mothers health or her pocketbook any. I know it isn’t around here.
She keeps telling me that I know nothing about it and to basically keep out of it and I will see things differently when my children get older.
Well, I can’t really stay out of it since it directly affects my household since we share the house, and come hell or high water my boys will not end up like hers.
And by some act of God or Goddess they do slip off the path, I’ve have learned many a lessons from watching this mess unfold.

Be strong and stick to your values. Don’t let him disrupt your family.
My hubby has missed family outings because he has had to take his mother one place or another, or before they went to jail and he had to stay home to make sure threats weren’t followed through.

Sorry about the long personal post but sometimes it is nice to open up a bit and let it out. I’ve been doing that a lot lately.

FYI, the fuckwit is getting out this morning. His mother scraped up the money for three bail bonds(three charges) from somewhere, no idea where, and he’s cooled his heels long enough to pay off his fines. Well, they say he has. My math on his fines versus the credit he earns per day doesn’t add up to the right amount, but since they’re a small county jail instead of a facility that can hold people for an extended period of time I think they’re just letting him out to get rid of him. Shame really, he’s only been in long enough to pay about half of the fines. Seems the entire world makes exceptions for the boy.(Technically he’s not a boy, he’s 20 years old, but when you act the way he does, you’re still a boy. He has yet to earn the designation ‘man’. You have to stand on your own two feet to get that, not just clutch your momma’s apron strings and live off her income/credit.)

So, yesterday, when we learned he was getting out today, here is a snippet of the conversation he had with his mother.

Fuckwit: I’m getting out tomorrow at 8:30 in the morning.
Mother-in-Law: But Melissa can’t be there that early.

Yep. That’s right. At the time they had this conversation, we were completely unaware of the fact that he would be getting out at that time. Neither of us was on the phone, and yet, somehow, we volunteered to drive the hour and a half to two hours to pick him up. Oh, and if we were going to get there at 8:30 we’d have to cross half of the DFW metroplex during the morning rush hour, including going through downtown and the mixmaster. Leaving the house at 6 AM might get it. So now we’re apparently getting the kids up ultra early, dropping me off for work(one-car family) three hours early, then letting the four small children(oldest is six) sit in the car for the two and a half hour ride, about an hour of which would be bumper-to-bumper.

Oh but wait, it gets better. MiL called us, and it seems she wants to go too. Melissa took her to get her truck(the one Fuckwit had been arrested in and subsequently gotten impounded) out of impound yesterday, but she won’t drive it to go get her son. Why? They’ve run the tires bald. So now we’re supposed to leave the house ultra-early, go cross town to pick her up, then get on the highway(which shouldn’t be too bad because it’s the outer piece of the loop) and drive the hour and a half more to where Fuckwit is. Oh, and she wants to go a little earlier so she won’t be very late for work. Oh, and some cousin and her baby want to come too(god knows why), so now we’re up to eight people in our seven-passenger van(five of which are young children, MiL, Cousin and my wife), and this is BEFORE they pick up Fuckwit.

I said no.

So we said we won’t pick up MiL, we won’t take cousin and baby, and we won’t leave early. Fuckwit can cool his heels in the waiting area of the jail until someone gets there. We’ll leave the house at our normal time, drop me off at work then Melissa can do what she feels she should do. She packed some snacks and drinks for the kids and gave them blankets so they can nap on the way out there. Once she has him, she’s got to take him to the bail bondsman and wait while he gets his paperwork there processed. Then it’s the hour and a half to two hour drive back to town. I’m thinking between five and six hours the kids will be sitting in the car.

As for claims that Melissa hasn’t done things for her mother, or doesn’t help her, that’s utter bullshit. From the time he called OUR house in the middle of the night this weekend, Melissa has done more of the work than anyone else, including his mother. She spent all day Saturday with her mom, providing “support” and doing the legwork of locating a bail bondsman, calling a lawyer, finding out the status of the truck, how much was owed, and to whom, what the charges were, etc. Almost all of this was via her cell phone because it’d be long distance to call from MiL’s house and we have nationwide calling on our plan. She ran the battery dead. For a phone with a three hour talk time with a full charge, that’s impressive, and yes, it did have a full charge when she started. It was Melissa who did virtually ALL the legwork, and it was Melissa’s phone that Fuckwit called when he wanted to know what was going on with the process of getting him out. He called his mother to cry at her and give her ammo to guilt trip Melissa into working towards getting him out.

MiL’s other daughter, Fuckwit’s other sister, Melissa’s sister, how has she handled all this? Yes, there is another sister, an older sister. She refused to return calls from her mother this week. Good decision, I wish we had.

Now MiL is saying she’s going to tell Fuckwit, and encouraging Melissa to tell Fuckwit, that if he gets in trouble again, no help will be forthcoming. He is not to even call. I know Melissa had made that decision, but she hadn’t told her mother she made it. Again her mother puts words in her mouth, in this case they’re the words she was going to say anyway, but MiL said, “We’ll tell him that, and make him believe it, even though we don’t mean it.” So now MiL has signed us up to help Fuckwit if he fucks up again, but in the meantime to pretend we wouldn’t help him. Hmm, will be interesting next time Fuckwit fucks up and she realizes we’re not pretending. We really won’t help bail his dumb ass out again.

Enjoy,
Steven

Mtgman, your latest post shows us that you and your wife are developing spines, but you’re only half-way there.

Picking Fuckwit up, but doing so on your terms (and not at 8:30 a.m. sharp), is an important first step in the right direction.

But you’re still letting him and the MiL take advantage of you.

Don’t.

Let the creep find his own way home from the county pokey.

This will be a never-ending downward spiral unless you cut yourselves off COMPLETELY and IMMEDIATELY.

Way to put your foot down, dude.

You can hit the guy over the head with my cookie sheet if you want, but try not to dent it, okay?

(hey Moxie, what would be a good way for me to retrieve that cookie sheet?)

Spiff I’d toss MiL and Fuckwit to the fishies if I could. The person I can’t seem to say no to is my beloved wife. Since she lays down and lets them walk all over her, I get walked on too. She knows it’s a problem and is trying to fix it, but it’s something she was raised to do and she’s having a lot of problems cutting the apron strings on her own. So as long as I keep supporting her, and as long as she keeps being theirs, I guess that makes me the pad beneath their doormat.[sub]sounds like a Bette Middler song SNERK[/sub] :mad:

Chef, we’re easy [sub]can’t you tell?[/sub] just give us a little notice and unless it conflicts with a ballet or spanish class, we’ll probably be there if you want to swing by.

Enjoy,
Steven

Well, he’s out and back in the Metroplex, everyone watch out. But, he and my mom got into an arguement and so he called some girl to come and pick him up. As far as I know he is out of mom’s house. <insert doubting smilie here>

Actually, Spiff every time things go wrong in my family I ask Mtgman when he is going to send out his resume. Of course, with the economy being the way it is and all we aren’t able to move right now. We would both love to move to the mountains, and Colorado is my first choice. Unless anyone wants to put up a family of 6 in their place. :smiley:

Thanks for the support Chef, and you can come by anytime we’re home. Hey any time I’m home would be great!:wink:

Kricket where did you say you were from? We just might be related. No, probably not. Getting to meet nice people this way is better anyway, through the Dope that is. Yes, I also believe that you eventually just have to let them fall. It is just really hard to do that.
OH, one more thing about my mom. She’s really lovely and all. :rolleyes: She always says to me that I will do the same things for my son when he screws up. Well, thanks mom for the confidance that I will do a better job at raising my kids. Yeah, and even then I would have to knock Steven over to get to the door to go pick him up. We both believe that eventually “Tough Love” is what you have to resort to. We both believe it, I don’t know if I could follow through with it, but I know Steven could and I say that in a good way.

My grandparents enabled my uncle all the way up to his death from a drug overdose. They gave him money, looked after his kids, put him up and bailed him out of jail over and over and over. He was in his late forties when he died.

I’m glad you two have decided not to enable his self-defeating behavior. Stick to it. It will be hard, especially for you, MoxMaiden. Get ready for guilt trips from both your mother and your brother. It’s sad. Your mother thinks she’s taking care of him, but she’s really just reinforcing his bad habits. In his mind, he probably doesn’t even think he’s taking advantage of her. I bet he thinks the same way she does; that it’s her job to take care of him, because she’s his mother. No price is too high.

I hope she wises up before it’s too late.

Not quite as disturbing as the Moxs or Krickets stories, but about a year ago, my brother threatened to beat my fiancee with a bat, among other things he was planning to do to me (if he ever saw me again), because I would not lend my mother $3000 or so to insure a car she could not afford to keep. At this time my own car (which was 10 years older than hers) had just died (transmission and brakes had both gone), and we had to get a new one, we were trying to save for our wedding (which happens to be next weekend, yay!), and she wanted us to take out a loan, shared by both of us, that she would pay off over the term of the loan.

My mother insisted that it was merely an “over-reaction” and my response of “his threat just signalled the end of any hope you had of getting that money from me” was also an over-reaction. Somehow mine was worse because “I am the grown up”. My brother is 22. I am 25. I am not sure how much more grown up I could possibly be than him.

A few weeks later, he was taking her car to work (his had given up entirely), making her walk to work (she has a bad back, and cannot really feel her left leg that well), and on the way managed to roll their only mode of transport off the motorway. Making it the second car of hers he has written off (“But he’s a good driver, the first one was not his fault, and the second one he said there was oil on the road”. “Yeah, whatever mum”). So I gave her my old car, and she paid about $2000 getting it working again… then gave it to him! while she had to drop another $4000 on a car for herself.

She pays his bills for him. He has money to drive his car around, and for going out, and for his entertainment expenses. But if he needs to drive her car, it’s her responsibility to make sure it has petrol.

Then, last month, he decides that he is no longer coming to my wedding because he did not get his own separate invitation! He lives at home, he’s single… he was on my mothers invitation. My grandmother also lives there, and she did not get her own invitation. My mother once again goes in to bat for him, saying that it’s only what he deserved, and that she was angry at ME for not asking him to be my best man. Because I chose someone who’s been my best friend for 22 of my 25 years, over my brother who, from all accounts, does not even like me.

The best one though, is that my grandmother, whose house it is he lives in, has gone in to hospital. It looks like she will not come out this time. She’s been in there a week. He’s visited her approximately zero times. Because “he does not like hospitals”. Show me one person who does, bub. I hate hospitals, I actually start to shake, and get nervous. It is, apparently, quite unsettling to watch me in a hospital. But I go because she’s my grandmother. Once again, according to my mother “he is working such long hours, and gets so tired, that he needs to come home and sleep”. The dude is a grunt at Electronics Boutique. No offence to anyone else who is a grunt at EB (I was one myself, 3 years ago), but the work is NOT hard. But he’s always awake enough to go out Friday and Saturday nights, or stay up late online, or watching wrasslin’ or something that he wants to do.

Fuck him. That’s what I feel, and that’s what I told her the other night. Until he decides to show that he is in some way human, I see no reason to waste any more of my brain on his patetic ass. I apologize for ranting for so long, but I needed to tell someone that would not go over and kick his ass. All my friends to whom I have related a single part of this tale have offered to help me do that. :slight_smile: