So, my ex is losing his mind.

I first met him in, oh, 1992 or so. The cutest little redneck you ever saw. Tight blue jeans, gorgeous red hair, helluva pool player. I fell madly, deeply in love.

I knew he had problems. He had been run off from home (with a shotgun) when he was 14. Finished 8th grade, that was it. He was a carpenter by trade, a damn fine trim carpenter. I never saw him measure anything. He’d take a look, cut a piece, and nail it up. Perfect. But he can’t read.

Bless his heart, he was a violent, abusive alcoholic. He’d come home in the middle of the night to drag me out of bed for an “ass whuppin’”. I eventually got a gut full and left him, took our two little babies (one 3 yrs and one 6 mos) and never looked back.

Over the years (16 now) he’s had what I’d call politely a “strained” relationship with my children. They love him, they just can’t stand him. My daughter will talk with him on the phone; my son refuses to acknowledge his existence.

Last week he called, and he was … weird. He wasn’t drunk. He was … waaaaaay out there. He was talking real strange stuff, about his phone bill, and he thought “they” were watching, him … just real creepy.

Saturday afternoon, he called again. Just sitting on the phone, breathing . … talking in a weird small voice. I asked him if he was “havin’ a spell” as the old folks say. To be honest, I was fearing that he’d had a stroke. Anyway, I was busy with work and got off the phone.

I called his sis Saturday nite, and she told me some things that curled my toenails. He’d asked her to come by and cut his hair. She took her scissors and went over there. He wouldn’t let her go in the house. He’s convinced that “they” sprayed his house with poison. He told her to take the hair clippings and burn them. He insisted she wear a pair of gloves, so the “poison” wouldn’t hurt her. And, to be sure to take a shower and scrub real good when she got home. He says “they” have a satellite beam on his house and are watching him 24/7. He’s convinced that “they” have sprayed him, his house, and his land with poison.

As of this writing, he’s locked in his house. He won’t even go to work. This is a man who went to work, drunk or sober, at 7 every morning for 30 years.

Mental illness runs in my family. No, it gallops. My sister suffers from Bipolar and my dad from Depression. I’m no stranger to mood disorders. But, all these years I thought my ex suffered from emotional problems, not brain-chemical problems.

Now they’re thinking he’s schizophrenic. Goodness, all the signs were there, years ago. I keep thinking, if I had a clue, for god’s sake, I could have helped him.

I’m afraid. I’m very afraid. I’m afraid that he’ll go down quickly, that he’ll refuse to go to the doctor and take meds. I’m frustrated that my son won’t talk to him. I want to shake my son, say “wake up !!” You have a very tiny window, to connect with your dad, to know him before he slides down that slippery slope.

And, I’m stunned. I’m stunned by the big soap-block smack of emotion. At one time I hated him. With a burning passion. One night, while he was asleep, I almost put a bullet in his head.

So why am I crying now? I see a little boy, so full of promise, that his mom and sisters remember. I see the good potential of any child of god, ground up in the gears of life.

And I’m mighty damn sorry about it. :frowning: But there’s not anything I can do for it either.

:crying:

I can offer only my kind thoughts and sympathies. I truly hope you, your kids, and your ex can traverse this difficult time without too much heartache. Godspeed.

Thanks ** Karmic**. I’m an effing blithering idiot. That should be “met him in 1982”. Not 1992. :smack:

Please, with all the leverage you can, get his friends and/or family to help get him to a doctor. I wish you and yours the best.

I hope this doesn’t come off as harsh, but your son is either 19 or 16 (you don’t say which child is older) and he is old enough to know whether or not he wants a relationship with his father. As I’ve had relatives with whom I desired no relationship but was forced into maintaining one anyway, I know the anger and resentment that can build up over that. My suggestion is to explain the situation to your son so that he knows the likely timeframe he has to re-establish relations with his father, let him know that he is under no obligation to do so, and then leave him alone about it.

That being said, I have an ex who was crazy when I met him (schizo-affective) so I know what it’s like to be emotionally bound up with someone in that situation. Even though you’re well clear of the primary relationship it can’t be easy dealing with the secondary relationships with your kids and his other family. Don’t be afraid about asking for and getting the help that you may need to deal with this.

Could he possibly have become a heavy-duty crack addict? I had the misfortune to become involved with someone who had this problem and his behaviour sounds much like hers. On occaision she wouldn’t let me in, wildly accusing me of all sorts of paranoia-induced imaginings, she heard voices frequently, and even tried to get a ladder from her apartment manager so she could get up on the roof to get the antenna “they” planted to read her mind. When the manager refused, she showed up a few hours later claiming her son threw his baseball on the roof and she wanted to borrow a ladder to get up on the roof (of her two-story) apartment building to retreive it.

From your description of him in the beginning of your post I thought like he sounded like many of the people she knew, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out that was his problem. If so, I’m afraid the news still isn’t much better than actual mental illness and maybe even worse. Long enough exposure to crack can result in actual, permanent scizophrenia, and crack appears to be almost impossible to kick. She eventually did years later (I think) after she and her crack-manufacturing boyfriend got busted. He had been arrested before for manufacturing it and this time went off to prison. She was given two five-year sentences to run consecutively but was put on probation and wouldn’t have to go to prison if she stayed clean. She also temporarily lost custody of her children. She had to have a home the court new about, a phone, and a steady job in order to eventually get her kids back. Apparently the threat of actual prison and the loss of her children and the desire to get them back enabled her somehow to kick her addiction. I don’t know how she actually did it as I’ve gotten the information I just told you about through secondary sources, but knowing how she was I’m amazed she was able to kick it short of prison.

Is there a chance you can get a mental-health warrant put out for him? If what you say is true, there may be no other option. If you’re really worried about this and he’s as bad as you say, call a family-law attorney ASAP. Good luck and take care of the kids.

Sorry, I hit post prematurely. Anyway, if the problem turns out to be crack there’s still hope, although the cure might be very difficult. Apart from Lisa, the woman I told you about, I’ve never known anyone to kick it short of prison, including Lisa’s younger sister. It may be that should crack turn out to be the problem, he’ll have to go to jail to get off it. But that’s still better than a dibilitating mental illness that will drag him down by increments for the rest of his life. I feel for you, and I wish you and your children the best of luck in dealing with this very difficult situation.

Run.

Real fast.

Real far.

Get away. This is the stuff of which ‘family tragedies’ are made.

Have no empathy, no sympathy.

Get away.

I absolutely agree with you, and no, it doesn’t come off as harsh. I’m just sad that it has to be that way. I’m sad that they can’t have some relationship, however limited it might be.

I suppose anything’s possible for him to have fallen into. Part of what’s hard about this is that, I can’t afford to let his dysfunction make me dysfunctional, no matter how much sympathy I have for him.

I reckon I’m just standing here shaking my tiny fist at the Universe. :mad:

Frankly, Ninety, I’m surprised you can muster up any sympathy for him. “Bless his heart, he was a violent, abusive alcoholic?” He’d wake you up to beat you, and your tsk-tsking him like he broke a plate?

He is not your problem anymore. Be grateful he’s no longer in your life. It is up to your ex in-laws to deal with the situation.

You can sit and moan that it’s a shame he doesn’t have a better relationship with his children, but you picked him to be the sperm donor. He didn’t earn a good relationship with them, so he doesn’t deserve one.

I’m sorry if this sounds a bit harsh, but compassion is wasted on those who do not deserve it.

This guy made his own bed. Let him lie in it.

My goodness, I’m with Sisyphus’ Stone on this one. I would be so afraid for my and my kids’ lives right now!

NinetyWt, you’re a much better person than I. I would have no other words for him but screw him. I’m saying ‘screw’ since this isn’t the Pit. Don’t get on your son’s case about him not wanting to have a relationship with his dad. I agree with Otto. He’s old enough to see his father for what he really is.

Excuse me, I meant crank (aka methamphetamine)

I get where you’re coming from, I think. It’s not so much that you forget the evil he was capable of, but time does heal. One can’t go around maintaining the anger and rage of a thousand suns without getting acid reflux, so what’s left is a sort of nostalgiac sigh for what might/should have been as opposed to the ick that was.

Good advice about letting your son work thru his own feelings in his own time, even if it does wind up too late. He doesn’t need to get conflicted about you because you’re pressuring him about his dad, eh? Yep, he might well never see any of the positive aspects of his father, but that’ll be okay too.

I’m just glad…well, not that there’s a lot to be happy about here, I’m thankful on your behalf that the timeline worked out as it did? Obviously, it could have been a lot worse if he fell off the sanity tightrope back when you and the kids were still with him, etc. I’m glad your family is in a safe place now, that’s all I’m trying to say.

Oh, and do you remember the exact date you realized your life resembled a country song? :wink:

Whatever’s going wrong with your ex, NinetyWT, it’s bad. Really, really bad.
And sad “what ifs” can’t change a thing.
IMO it speaks very well of the largeness of your heart that you can see past all the bad to even reach empathy.
But you haven’t been part of his life for a long time, and neither have his kids. You don’t have the legal or really moral push to do much for him directly, besides following up with his family to make sure he gets professional help, pronto. Right now it sounds like he’s a danger to himself and others.
My opinion? The best you can do is to keep yourself and your kids well away from the fireworks. They didn’t have a close relationship with him to begin with, so now surely isn’t the optimal time for anyone to start building bridges. The most you should do–IMO–is quietly reinforce to them that possibly he had serious, undiagnosed medical problems all along. That doesn’t place blame or guilt on anyone–you, your ex or them–for the way things are, but it might keep the door open, just a crack in case, your ex gets himself together in the future.
You didn’t cause it, you couldn’t have prevented and you can’t solve it. So stay clear. But you can do it kindly, for your kids’ sake.

Best of luck to all of you, NinetyWT. It’s a bitch. It’s taken years but I’ve finally figured out my massively self-destructive ex was a very sick puppy way before he suddenly, spectacularly imploded. Pity doesn’t help anyone either, though.

Veb

I understand. I, too, had to finally throw up my hands and walk away. It’s not easy but it can be done. And I think it speaks volumes about you that you can be so compassionate toward someone who treated you so badly, but IMO there’s nothing positive to be accomplished so the best thing is like everyone else is saying: stay far, far away. I truly wish you nothing but the best. Good luck.

No advice, but just wanted to say that there’s nothing you can do, or should have done. You left, and that was the right thing. This is no longer your problem, and it is in no way your fault.

Miss ya!

I have to second what Veb says. You want to be as far away as possible before he self-destructs, because he could take you and the kids with him. What if he decides *you’re * the one poisoning him? Or decides that you’re poisoned, too, and he’ll take you all out “for your own good”? Be careful, stay safe, and stay out of his emotional sphere.

I hate to sound callous, but you have to look out for yourself and your kids before anything else.

StG

thanks to all who posted. He does live 3 hours from me, so the safety issue is manageable (I think). I’ll say, to those who shy away from “sympathy” threads, there’s nothing like a discussion as you will read above.

Much love for my SDMB brethen.
90

There’s nothing shameful in feeling sympathy or empathy for him. But you have to remember the issue, which is mental illness. Just because you feel sorry for him doesn’t mean you need to put yourself in harm’s way. Try to get help for him, if you can do so without endangering yourself.

Children learn a lot from their parents when they exhibit compassion. Just be careful. I’m sorry for your troubles.