I asked under whom you studied Theology; not who your Sunday School teachers were. I did a quick web search and the top two are pulpit preachers. News flash for Wingless! “Sunday School is not Collegiate-level Theology courses!”
North Dakota.
The Geologic Column and Its Implications to the Flood.
The author is a practicing oil and gas geologist, and a former young earth creationist (27 articles published in the Creation Research Society Quarterly). He abandoned creationism because he just couldn’t reconcile it with the facts he saw every day. See About The Author and The Transformation of a Young-earth Creationist. See also DMD Publishing Co..
The entire geologic column has been found in 25 different places, including North Dakota. This page includes a map showing each location. There could be more, buried under Antarctic ice or Amazon rain forest or some other relatively inaccessible spot.
winglessangel02, you again misunderstand us. You are entitled and welcome to share your opinions but be prepared for the consequences. This is the great debates forum and as such you’ll need to support your argument well to keep it from being knocked down.
We’re a pretty diverse group here but fundimentalists such as yourself aren’t cut a whole lot of slack as far as debate goes. Don’t take that as a personal attack on your faith. In debate it doesn’t matter if you’re right, it only matters if you can make a valid argument for your position. Appeal to authority, “a great theologan said so…” or “God revealed creation to Moses and he said so” are not valid arguments.
I am a christian too but not the kind of bible literalist you are. I believe that the creation story is an allegory that can’t be taken literally. The argument I have for that position is that I don’t think God would create a world that is deceptive, appearing to be vastly older than 6,000 years. God created the rules of physics for us to disover. I don’t see why he’d not use them to create the world. My faith is not shaken by a universe that was created with order to its onw rules. I don’t feel a need for some unknowable event to support my faith. If I needed that it wouldn’t be faith now would it?
Dr Rick Adams: former president of Florida Baptist Bible College, Brandon, Florida.
Dr. Albert Garner: author of Bible Analysis, Defense of the Faith, Garner Baptist Commentary, and many others. Pastor and lecturer.
Dr. Mickey Carter: Pastor of one of the largest churches in Florida, Landmark Baptist Church, author of Things that are Different are Not the Same.
Dr. Robert Ogden: Minister of the Gospel
Dr. Jack Hyles: Pastor of the largest Church in America,First Baptist Church of Hammond, Indiana. Recently deceased. Author of Teaching Preaching, and many more books.
Dr. Clyde Lanier: Pastor of Church in America that sponsor most missions, Westwood Missionary Baptist Church. Professor of Bible at Florida Baptist Bible College.
Dr. Bill Prevatte: Former pastor of Okechobee Missionary Baptist Church.Former Professor of Bible at Florida Baptist Bible College.
These are just a FEW of my trachers credentials. I did NOT study under them in sunday school. All of them are pastors and are very acclaimed. No, you may not find every one of them on the internet.
Well, I must go now. I will tlak to you later.
W’Angel:
I would tend to agree that some very scholarly men retain the pastorate of a local church, feeling called to do so. Not every pastor is authoritative as regards Bible scholarship or theology. I would also draw to your attention something that the vast majority of your teachers have in common: a seven letter word: B _ _ _ _ _ T (hint: often follows the phrase “John the”)
This is not to put down one of the major denominations of the nation. But Baptist pastors run the gamut from guys who set themselves up in a storefront to nationally renowned authorities on a scholarly plane. I personally, though I have read works by several leading Baptists, had never heard of any of the ones you mentioned. (Coincidence, but the truth.)
You might want to do some shopping around for scholarly works by good Christian authors, particularly in the fields you have chosen to debate on here to date. A list of excellent references compiled by three men of my acquaintance, two of whom I know are Baptists (I don’t know the denomination of the third), can be found here. (My own theological and Bible study tastes are more liberal than theirs, but I do not want to be uncharitable towards yours, which seem to correspond largely with theirs.)
You might browse around that board a little. And don’t take the fact that I’m one of the Servers (moderators) over there as a guide – most are substantially more inclined to your conservatism (though not your apparent judgmentalism) than I am. And they’d be glad to meet a strong young Christian like yourself.
I would welcome responses to my initial response to your post. You see, I am staunch in my belief in Jesus as my Lord and Savior, and tend to try to see God at work in the world He made through the laws He gave it, rather than trying to warp the evidence He placed there into somebody’s personal interpretation of Scripture. And, bluntly, that’s what I see most Creationists as doing. To me, the sort of God that can set the evolutionary process at work knowing that four-and-a-half billion years down the road it will result in the creation of Man and the birth of Jesus is far more worthy of my worship than the petulant, evidence-falsifying, hostile-to-everyone God that much of fundamentalism preaches. Such a God could not possibly have loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten son… And the next verse: He is very much interested in seeing everybody, here, in your church, at GLAAD and the ACLU, and even the Taliban, not be condemned but have the life He holds out.
So get your back down a bit, and debate. You might even convince somebody here you’re right. 
Let me amend my comment above to include: “Nor does sitting in the pews while the preacher preaches constitute ‘studying Theology.’”
You evidently mean “Preach at.”
Monty,
I dont know why exactly you like to attack me, but I think its very undeserving. I have STUIDIED under these men. NOT sat in a pew while they were preaching. in a group maybe up to 10 at the most and sometimes one on one. My father whom I did not mention is one of the ones I have studied under. He is not a highly popular theologian, no, but he is a Pastor. And yes, Studied means under them personally. And, I ahve not been preaching at you. I thought I posted a message on here to alleviate my other messages and to politely ask you to disregard all of them. And yes, Baptist is my religion.
It will always be my religion. I do not hate on other religions. I have friends in many wide ranges of religions. All the way from Hindu to Pentecostal to Catholic to Presbyterian and more.
Well, I will post later…Cya
Like or dislike has nothing to do with it. You appear on the scene here as many of your fellow fundies have and trot out the same tired excuses for your attempt to thrust your religion onto others in a publicly supported institution - the public schools. Since I am most definitely not a Baptist and not a Fundamentalist (I’m LDS), I’d just as soon not have my child learning your dogma in the public schools.
Let me make myself clear here: Where exactly did you study this accredited course of Theology?
Oh! Bible study class! Who would’ve thought it.
Does he have any qualifications to teach Theology as opposed to teaching your denomination’s version of Bible study?
Good. Now that you’ve pinned that down, how about answering the where part?
You are not aware of your own actions then.
I imagine you mean this little tidbit of yours:
Let’s examine it, shall we? “I am sory for expressing my views, as all of you have done do freely.” No, those who have expressed the opposite of your view about “creationism” have provided substantive evidence to support their claims; you, on the other hand, have provided a list of names to support yours.
“I will no longer state my views.” Stating your views, with support, would be grand. As it is, you appear to only parrot what someone has spoon-fed you in that Bible study class mentioned earlier.
Correct! It’s a religion. It is not a science. Please try to keep the religion out of science class in the public schools.
Do they know how you feel about their faiths’ creation myths and why those shouldn’t be taught in the science class in the public schools? As it is, you still haven’t answered my question about the sun being a goddess.
I’m still betting you mean “reach at.”
OK, Tracer, I’m biting. What is this strange “in” joke that I seem to have bought into? Why “brickbat lingerie”?
WinglessAngel
I would be interested in the creationist syllabus you would have taught in public schools. Would it be, as has been suggested, a deconstruction of evolution? Would you give the evolutionists a chance to respond to what you point out are their weaknesses? Would you offer an alternative theory? Would it be the Genesis creation story? Would you go into Bishop Usher and the calcuations he used to prove the age of the world? Would you allow the evolutionist to point out the flaws in this arguement? Would you allow the creation stories of other religions to also be taught in science class?
Uhm, winglessangel two points:
The information on the geologic column had already been pointed out, just after your first post. Didn’t you read the thread?
Also, I am not impressed by your theological training if you can’t tell the difference between a religion and a denomination. (hint: Islam, Hinduism and Christianity are religions. Presbyterians, Baptists and Catholics are denominations of Christianity. LDS, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Christian Science are left as exercises for the reader.)
Princhester wrote:
It’s from Babylon 5, either the late 3rd or the early 4th season. Ivanova is about to take command of a squadron of White Star ships, all piloted by Minbari who don’t speak English. She is showing off her, ahem, “knowledge” of the Minbari language. We in the viewing audience get to see English subtitles corresponding to the Minbari-language sentences she’s uttering – the last phrase she speaks is translated as “Brickbat lingerie.”
I still don’t know what a brickbat is. It sounds terribly un-aerodynamic.
Since I don’t think that this thread has NEARLY enough hijacking…
If creationism is presented as an “alternative” to evolution, I propose that all churches be required to hold biology classes as part of each service. How’s that sound?
Lynn Bodoni suggests:
Sorry, but that’s already in place, sort of. Why do you think the teenagers sit in the balcony during those loooong services? 
I am soooooo bookmarking this page.
It suddenly hit me, over the weekend, that I believe in evolution. Out of the blue, there it was. Do I believe that God created all? Yes. Do I believe in evolution? Yes. I never thought I’d be able to make that connection. Trust me, it’s been a long journey.
My mom stopped over and The History Channel was showing a program on Neandertal culture and etc. Pretty interesting. She made the remark “Oh, it’s all so much science fiction.” What!!! Good lord, that one floored me. Honestly, my jaw almost dropped open. And this from a woman who has only been a Christian since her mid-30’s. I shuddered at it, I did.
I dread the conversation that I’ll (eventually) have to have with my (wonderful) husband, the Bible literalist.
wingless, honey, ideas are not a threat to your salvation. I understand where you are coming from. Actually, I recognize myself in you at that age. And you want fundamental? Sugar, I was raised Assembly of God. I’ve got your fundamental, Bible literalist theology plus 5. It took me a long time to realize that God wanted me to think on my own. Not to blindly accept either the teaching or the refutation of one ideology by one group. I understand all too well how hard it is to look objectively at an issue that you have been taught all your life is Evil Incarnate. I’ve been there. However, do not let this hold you back from examining, with an objective eye and a prayerful spirit, evolution. God isn’t threatened by it; He’s big enough to withstand it. Scientists are not out to “get” God. They are out to figure out how the world works. Remember in Acts (17:11), how the Berean brethren studied the Scriptures to see whether what Paul told them was true? Do the same for evolution. The Bible is not a guide for scientific inquiry, its a guide for spiritual salvation and direction.
Stick around. You can learn alot from the people around here; I know I have.
BunnyGirl (huzzah!) wrote:
What’s ironic about this is that the History Channel is notorious for not checking their facts. I’ll bet the pitcure of “neanderthal culture” they painted was full of controversial speculations and extrapolations from the somewhat-scant evidence we have about how Homo neanderthalensis lived, masquerading as established, indisputable fact.
Not that the existence of H. neanderthalensis is in doubt among anthropologists. Just the details.
BunnyGirl said:
Congratulations. It’s moments like this that make being here worthwhile for me. (And I think you know just what I mean.)
At the risk of putting in a plug for the competition, have your husband visit [url=“http://thebruces.stormbirds.org/forum/index.php”] the Pizza Parlor. It’s a firmly Christian board, but not the backbiting terror that the Sinister Buttock MB turned into. And we have all flavors of believer, from staunch literalist to, well, me, to His Infernal Majesty, and several interested non-Christians of varieties – plus CMKeller explaining Judaism to us.
If the likes of Navigator and Lauralee don’t crack the ice on “it’s not a salvation question, it’s a peripheral,” I dunno what will.
BunnyGirl -
Welcome to the dark side. Or maybe its the enlightened side…
(Hijack)
OK, Tracer, we’re going to get to the bottom of this brickbat thing. Watch the general questions board