Absolutely. As I was watching the chase scene I kept thinking “Ok no one survived that.”
I saw it this past Saturday night, and I think it’s a great movie. It has a tremendous human element in it.
Yeah, the whole “she’s not a killer” thing is pure bullshit. She ABSOLUTELY had the intention to kill a whole lot of people, who were barely saved by Spider-Man. And if that old guy SHE THREW INTO TRAFFIC AND DEFINITELY GOT HIT survived he is going to be crippled for life at the bare minimum. IMO they went a little too far with her for such a quick redemption arc.
I saw it the past Saturday midday (10:45 showing). I was shocked by how long the movie was. But I also didn’t mind it; it didn’t get bogged down at any point. One of the best films Marvel has ever done IMHO.
Yeah, that guy was hit by a car so freaking hard. If he was a cartoon character he would have to inflate himself. It looked like it would have broken him in half. Unless her possession also made people invulnerable, that guy was at best paralyzed (though I think it would have been a miracle for him to live).
Marvel films play fast and loose with physics, but in the moment it looked like they were trying to make it clear that she killed the guy.
I watched it again this past Saturday and unfortunately that meant that it lost a lot of its impact. I went into it basically blind the first time (I had not even seen a trailer) so when I first watched it there was a lot to discover. From the transformation he was undergoing to who the “villain” was. I knew the Punisher was in it because I knew that John Bernthal was part of the cast, but did not know about the Banner or the Hulk.
While it was still enjoyable a lot of what makes the film hit, at least for me, was the different revelations and trying to figure out who was who and what their motivations were. Yes, it was clear that Damage Control were bad guys after Peter Parker first talks to them, and there were some other telegraphing moments as well once you get into the story, but on the whole a lot of things came to light as the story progressed. I tried to see this time if there was a clear moment where you can tell that MJ has been taken over by Jean, but I think the only indication is that she is maybe a little less afraid when they go web-slinging? They hid that moment really well.
This is probably true, but on the other hand, how would she know that he was going to get hit by a car? Yes he walks backward into the street, but it does not look like it is particularly busy. I don’t say that to excuse it, but it does provide a bit of wiggle room.
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I thought was a good clue. I immediately noticed it and thought “Oh… it’s not MJ in there” and then as the scene went on I thought “oh well, maybe it is her…”
Finally saw this today and my main question is what happened with Bruce Banner. Last time I saw him was in Endgame and the She-Hulk series and he was “Smart Hulk” - Bruce Banner’s brains in the Hulk’s body. When did he/they switch back to being two separate entities?
In the comics, Peter’s a good guy. Spider-Man didn’t win by overpowering Jean Grey, he did it by showing her there are good people in the world. Of course we got our awesome comic book fight before that. It’s kind of the way he “beats” Hulk too. “I’m your friend.”
I didn’t clock that it wasn’t MJ, but I did think it was weird that she wasn’t scared. But then I thought maybe it just “felt” familiar even if she didn’t consciously remember ever doing it before.
I think just now. Being mind controlled really messed him up, and The Other Guy did not like that.
At all.
No, he was Banner on the post credit scene in Shang Chi. I read something about turning back to Banner after infinity war due to his injuries, but I can’t find the article any longer.
He was wearing the inhibitor at the end of Shang Chi. I don’t think the MCU Smart Hulk was the same as the comics’ Professor Hulk. He was more like Banner running the show while Hulk “slept,” like was done in the comics in the early eighties. He probably built the inhibitor because he could feel The Other Guy rattling around in there trying to come out.
Of course the real reason he had the inhibitor was that Mark Ruffalo is a lot cheaper than CGI Mark Ruffalo.
They went into it some in the She-Hulk series. I think that’s where Bruce gives the explanation about his inhibitor, if I’m remembering right.
Finally saw it last night, and really enjoyed it. Punisher was excellent. I haven’t watched any of the TV series with him, just to be clear, the Staten Island event Spidey keeps referring to happened off camera, and wasn’t in Daredevil or anything, correct?
I was actually a little annoyed that the “villain” turned out to be Jean Grey, I’ve really been hoping they’d keep the X-Men separate from the rest of the MCU.
Was it just me, or did he overdo the Queens accent a few times? Almost an “I’m walkin here!” level of NYC accent. Though thinking back, I think he only did that when on the phone with the detective, so maybe Spider-Man was doing that intentionally, not Tom Holland messing up.
I went back and watched the first episode of She-Hulk. human Bruce and Jennifer are in a car, he explains he build the inhibitor after Endgame because he couldn’t integrate himself with his injured arm, followed by Jennifer’s “Steve Rogers was still a virgin” theory. The Sakaaran ship shows up, the car rolls off the embankment, Jennifer gets Bruce out of the car but gets his blood on her in the process. Then the inhibitor starts to malfunction, and Bruce starts to turn green as Jennifer runs into the woods (though in silhouette she’s already Hulking).
In a following scene, she wakes up human in Bruce’s secret lab in Mexico and Bruce is in the Smart Hulk form he was in Endgame. He tells her she’s a Hulk now, but also he was able to use her blood to heal his arm and integrate himself, so he can go back into Smart Hulk form. So presumably he also rebuilt the inhibitor since then, so he can do things like drive in cars and walk through human sized doorways.
I loved the scene where Peter was looking through Ned’s Spider-Man board and one of Ned’s clues is that Spider-Man might actually be British.
Speaking of which, what was the significance of the two people Ned had identified as Spider-Man’s most likely alter-egos? I’m assuming they’re references to characters in the Spider-Man universe but I don’t recognize them.
Yeah, that is not something we’ve seen. This is the first time they interact on camera.
If I remember rightly, they were Flash Thomson and the dorky teacher from the first three films. Presumably based on their being on the European trip and the trip to Washington
That is correct, both of them appeared in all three of the previous spider man movies with Tom Holland, and I guess being around events surrounding the school and the trip to Europe could make them candidates, but I think they were chosen because people who had seen the previous films would find them to be humorous choices (I know I did).
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The character name was Mr Harrington played by Martin Starr.
Yeah, the actor from Silicon Valley. The Harrington character actually goes all the way back to the Edward Norton Hulk movie where he is some sort of pizza-loving computer nerd in his pre-teaching career.