I’ve seen the 10-ton figure cited in the Official Marvel Guide, so it’s canon, as far as comics are concerned. The “angrier Spidey gets, the stronger Spidey gets” angle is very inconsistantly applied in the comics (colour me shocked). Spidey can take out Firelord (though he was more hopped up on fear than anger) and even Iron Man 2020 (that time, Spidey was pissed), but there have been fights betwen Spidey and Daredevil when Spidey’s anger lets Hornhead take him out. Completely impluasble, of course. Spidey should be able to squish Daredevil by looking at him, but the writer has to come up a way to keep everything dramatic.
Spidey vs. Jedi would have the winner spare the life of the loser (since they’re both good guys, supposedly). Spidey vs Sith would rock, but Spidey wins by distracting Darth Oftheweek with one-liners; “So, how much does it cost to dry-clean that cloak?”
If Spidey can get his hands on a Jedi, our Force-using friends are so much chunky salsa, unless a lucky swing manages to lop off a limb or two. Whether he could get close enough is another matter - if the Jedi can keep enough web off to stay mobile. A Jedi wouldn’t pose a great enough threat to actually knock off the old web-slinger at a distance, but keep him off balance enough to run away… in which case I guess we’d rule that Spidey’d win anyway.
A Dark Jedi on the other hand, is the clear winner. He’d just hold Spidey up in the air with the Force, then twist his head off. Perhaps he’d throw some lightning or make Spidey’s teeth explode just for fun.
“And now, young wall-crawler… You will die.” Zap Blammo Pow Bort
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If this were a low-level Jedi, like some poor shmoe who just got his lightsaber merit badge yesterday, then I figure Spiderman would take him. At that level, the Jedi will basically be just a random guy with a spiffy sword and a couple of nice tricks.
However, if you get a higher-order Jedi in this fight, Spidey’s chances start dropping pretty quick. All a Jedi has to be is decently adept with telekinesis… suddenly, Spidey’s agility, strength, and reflexes mean squat when he’s being held stationary in mid-air.
Of course, in that situation, our Jedi will just say something like “Who are you that dresses in funny-looking red-and-blue tights?” (to which Spidey responds “Who are you that dresses in funny-looking soiled robes?” Then they do the Good Guy thing and go quash the bad guys).
THEN… if you pit Spidey against a high-level Sith, our friendly neighborhood wall crawler doesn’t stand a chance. All our Sith master has to do is drop a Force storm on Mr. Parker’s ass and then it’s goodnight, Gracie.
'Course, if you pit Spidey against Luke, the universe explodes from the sheer amount of angst and whining centered in one place…
I think this is not a very fair fight. If the Jedi has a Saber, spidey should too. If he did, then it would be no contest. How the heck is spidey supposed to block a swat from a saber? He has to dodge the swings for the whole fight? No very practical IMHO.
Spidey vs. Jedi w/ no saber. Easy win for spidey.
Both have saber. Easy win for spidey.
Jedi sabre, Spidey no sabre. Tough win for spidey.
Hey, Phlip, there’s nothing in the rules that says Spidey can’t disarm the Jedi, or even try to snatch the lightsaber away. It’s not grafted onto the Jedi’s hand, y’know.
If the Jedi loses his lightsaber, then Spidey loses his web-shooters.
Jedi are not light speed fast. None of the “light weapons” in Star Wars actually go the speed of light. You can see the beginning and end of the light “bolt” and can watch it travel. It appears to be substantially slower than a bullet. The alternative theory is that Jedi know where to put their lightsabers by pre-cognition. Still not faster than light.
One question: are we assuming that the Jedi in this situation is a human? There’s all sorts of species out in the SW universe.
Let’s not get into a “if a Wookiee were a Jedi, and he was fighting Spider-Man, who would win?” kind of conversation. Heck, what if Gungans found the Force, and Spidey set out to exterminate them before the galaxy was ruled under the rubbery webbed fist of Grand Masta Binks? This seems doomed to descend into the realms of ridiculousness…
Which is not to say that I wouldn’t take part in it
This reminds me of a cartoon I saw once…I think it was Downtown on MTV, where these geeks were argueing in a comic book store about who would win: Wolverine or Yoda.
A precursor to Eltingville? But back to the topic.
I would have to say it really depends. I don’t think lightning or force telekinesis would work on a full strength Spidey. You can see in episode one that Darth Maul can only push his adversaries and not hold them in mid air. Spidey should also be able to dodge most force telekenisis attacks involving other objects hurled at him. Nothing would happen if the match only involved ranged combat. A Jedi would be able to easily dodge or get out of webs spun by Spidey. If Spidey got the fist hit in, he could probably disarm the Jedi and win due to his strength. If the Jedi gets the first hit in, well spidey’s probably done for.
Still only when one assumes a low-end Jedi. Even a decently trained Jedi could take Spidey on, even with no weapons. Again, all one needs is a decent grasp of telekinesis, or mind-altering.
It’s fairly clear in the movies that the “Jedi mind trick” doesn’t work on anyone clever. It can be used to influence those with “weak minds,” such as your local Stormtrooper or one of Jabba’s bobos, but against anyone with a pretty good brain, forget it; the trick didn’t work on either Jabba the Hutt or Watto the Jewish Stereotype, neither of whom was a Jedi, just smart. Peter Parker’s a genius, and his spidey-sense would probably give him the heads up that something is amiss. I don’t think that particular Jedi trick would work on him at all.
As to the telekinesis bit, it doesn’t seem terribly strong in the films. Darth Vader can fling objects around; Yoda picked up an X-wing fighter; all Jedi demonstrate the ability to manipulate small objects. A LIVING object is something quite different, and if the Jedi can simply destroy their enemies by freezing them in place, it’s an ability they sure underuse. An insanely strong, precognitive Spider-Man would not be easily snared.
You ppl forget, that u’ve never seen a jedi have any problems taking on a non jedi … remember Luke in return of the Jedi?
Walks up to them two big ugly orcs, points at them and they fall staggering back to the wall and black out…
Some guy with red pyjamas running up and down a wall aint gonna stop a jedi, even if he does disarm him. (the jedi could still telekineise the light saber and fight on even if it wasnt in his hand)
i remember some lord Markham (i think) from the Dragonlance commenting on Lord Soth “a bloke who only has to point at u and say “die” has a distinct advantage in a fight”
which is what a jedi could do (darth vader is also a jedi)
I don’t recall ever seeing the force used on a living being. (I could be mistaken on this part though) I know Darth Vader used his force to choke the Admiral (eww) but did he hold him up in the air? A lightning blast? Like the one the emporer had? Please, Spiderman, I am sure, has dodged worse things; we are talking about Marvel Comics.
Yes, this is a dumb thread, but I have seen worse.
Still think the Jedi would have the upper hand. Don’t know the difference between a Jedi and a Sith, isn’t a Sith just a Jedi that has gone to the Dark side? (My level of Geekdom is low)
The Jedi mind tricks only work on the feebleminded, so it wouldn’t work on Spidey. I don’t think the choking would work either, since the chokee needs to stand still in one spot long enough for the Jedi to finish shaking his outstretched hand.
If Spidey disarms a Jedi, he can web the sabre out of reach. Force TK probably wouldn’t be able to rip it out of a web coccoon on the ceiling.
If the Jedi uses TK to hold Spidey in midair, Spidey immediately throws a rope and swings away.
Technically, Spiderman wins, but we all know the writers get the final say-so since they can always think up some situation to get the desired outcome.
I don’t recall ever seeing the force used on a living being. (I could be mistaken on this part though) I know Darth Vader used his force to choke the Admiral (eww) but did he hold him up in the air? A lightning blast? Like the one the emporer had? Please, Spiderman, I am sure, has dodged worse things; we are talking about Marvel Comics.
Yes, this is a dumb thread, but I have seen worse.
Still think the Jedi would have the upper hand. Don’t know the difference between a Jedi and a Sith, isn’t a Sith just a Jedi that has gone to the Dark side? (My level of Geekdom is low)
Assuming standard armament for both (i.e., lightsaber for Jedi and webslingers for Spider-man), I still say the Jedi wins. Most Force powers are irrelevant, since mind tricks only work on the weak-willed (i.e., those used to taking orders and Gungans), and even if telekinesis can be used on a living being, he could web-sling out of it. Still, though, Spidey’s got nothing to match a saber. His webs, if successful, will slow down an adversary, but a saber attack, if successful, will kill. If he manages to disarm the Jedi, then he’s won (forget about keeping it out of the Jedi’s reach; why can’t he use it himself?), but I highly doubt that he could disarm the Jedi. All it takes is a flick of the wrist, and the web that’s aimed at the saber is vaporized.
Take away webs and saber, and it’s a stalemate: Neither side has an effective weapon against the other.
