Star Trek: Enterprise

All the vulcans besides T’Pol have this weird green face paint/makeup that really distracts me. It’s only on their faces and you can see where it ends at their chin/neck. T’Pol doesn’t have it, I have no idea why the others do.

Here’s an example of what I mean. Utterly baffling that they let this get by. It’s been in every episode with vulcans so far.

Isn’t the idea that, absent a time-travel plot, we know everything will be okay?

When an episode of TOS or TNG or whatever first aired, you’re thinking maybe this is the episode where the Earth done gets blowed up real good . . . or maybe this is the episode where biological warfare wipes out every Vulcan . . . or maybe this is the episode where some technological breakthrough ushers in a new golden age.

But without time travel – no, this will all lead to the adventures of Kirk and Spock, followed by Picard’s days at the helm, and so on; there’s no OR ALL DIE suspense, because we know they won’t all die: McCoy will insist he’s not a bricklayer, Worf will lose a fight, Troi will sense something, it’s all on the way.

The obvious answer is to not have their adventures be about the fate of Earth or whatever. The tension could have been about the survival of various members of the Enterprise or whatever, like many of the episodes of the other series were. It’s not my fault they decided to make a prequel, their solution was a lazy one. I mean all the non-time travel episodes so far have been good, but seriously, time travel just really sucks 90% of the time. The only Trek episode I’ve seen dealing with time travel that I’ve enjoyed was Timeless. And that’s mostly because of the skill with which it was directed and paced. It managed to maintain tension despite it having a foregone conclusion, a la Titanic.

Well, get used to it, because when he says “drawn out,” he means “drawn out.” For a while, people often said it was part of the premise of the series.

Vulcans are supposed to have green blood

[mcCoy]

Damn green-blooded Vulcan
[/McCoy]

I guess T’Pol has special blood. And the others only have blood in their faces. That makes their faces look suspiciously like they’ve been painted with green makeup. >.>

Data in the Next Generation had fake glittery skin. Never noticed fake skin in Enterprise. The green skinned dudes were hot, but subjugated by feminists.

Yeah but Data’s white skin didn’t end at his jawline. If they’d put the green on the vulcans’ necks I wouldn’t have noticed. Well, I would’ve noticed that T’Pol didn’t have the same tint but it would’ve been better than what they went with.

I guess I didn’t have a good enough TV; I never noticed Vulcan skin being different. I know it was at times, but I never noticed it.

I liked it, too, and though it’s something of an apples-and-oranges comparison to the pseudo-classical themes of the other shows, I daresay it’s the best of them. I didn’t care for the synthed-out later version, though.

I like that the lyrics are a tad atheistic. The singer has “faith of the heart”, but it’s not the sappy commonplace faith in any kind of God - in fact, screw God and his followers and anyone else that might “bend or break me” - the singer has faith in his own potential for accomplishment; “I can do anything” including a defiant Tower of Babel-ish “touch the sky”.

That said, the show was just barely hitting its stride when it got cancelled. The first two seasons were complete wastes of time.

I believe the idea that viewers like time travel stems from the most favorite TOS episode being The City On The Edge Of Forever.

Welp, I had a huge post about the awesomeness of Enterprise and how UPN can kiss my ass but the Internet ate it so I’ll just list some of the bad episodes that are safe to skip and then list some of the good/great episodes.

Bad/Terrible:

Season 1. Terra Nova, Acquisition, Vox Sola
Season 2. A Night in Sickbay, The Catwalk, Dawn, Vanishing Point, The Breach
Season 3. Exile, North Star, Hatchery, Extinction> WTF? Hatchery and Extinction are in the running for worst episodes ever. Maybe even worse than the worst of Voyager.
Season 4. Daedelus, Observer Effect, The last three episodes> Don’t waste your time.

Good/Great:

Season 1. You’ve already seen this one - Unexpected, Dear Doctor, Fallen Hero
Season 2. Carbon Creek, Cease Fire, Cogenitor, First Flight
Season 3. Similitude, Damage, E2- (E Squared)
Season 4. Home, (Borderland, Cold Station 12, The Augments)- 3 story arc (The Forge, Awakening, Kir’ Shara)- 3 story arc. Babel One, United, The Aenar, Bound, In a Mirror Darkly: part1 and part 2.

Enterprise really hit it’s stride in season 4 and IMHO didn’t deserve to be cancelled. It probably wouldn’t have if it wasn’t on UPN which wasn’t even available in all TV markets, constant time slot switching, and on top of that it also had crappy reception.

I actually kind of liked Acquisitions. :slight_smile: The ferengi have always been one of my favorite races in Star Trek and seeing a couple of bumbling ferengi thieves (with Ethan Phillips and Clint Howard guest starring) was nice after the last couple serious episodes. I liked Krem’s little dismissive hand wave when Muk offered to set him up with a bolian at the episode’s end.

“We do not discus it with outsiders.”

You do know that “Faith of the Heart” wasn’t written for Enterprise, don’t you? It was first used over the end credits of the movie Patch Adams and was originally recorded by Rod Stewart. It was re-recorded for Enterprise by an English tenor named Russell Watson.

I hadn’t known or especially cared and see no reason to start. What’s your point?

The point is the lyrics weren’t written with the series in mind. If you think they’re appropriate, that’s fine. When the series premiered, though, many fans felt the theme didn’t resonate as well as the Voyager theme, for example, which was original. But like I said, if you’re OK with a recycled Diane Warren pop song for a theme, that’s fine. I didn’t intend to threadshit. I was just raising a point that many other fans considered valid.

It wouldn’t be the only difference in T’Pol. She also has different eyebrows and ears than other Vulcans. I half expected that she was going to turn out to be half human or something. Instead, the rumor is that Blaylock herself got them to fix her look in Season 3 by just telling her makeup artist to do it differently–and no one on set seemed to notice.

I do agree with you, though, although it’s not something I would have even noticed. To me, their faces look more dirty than green tinted. Spock never looked green-tinted to me either, despite his claim in his autobiography that his makeup had a green tint. I’d always assumed it was affected by the same thing that turned the green captain and command uniforms into gold ones.

Given the production ‘quality’ of the 1960’s series this surprises you?

In any case, poor, inconsistent makeup application aside, Vulcans are supposed to be green tinged according to lore.

This isn’t the 1960s series, so yes, it does. As already mentioned they managed to paint Data’s neck and there has been much, much better makeup work on all the non-vulcans (I mean they had those aliens that had scales all over their bodies in Unexpected, it’d be as if their scales just ended at their jawline despite their confusion over what skin is :p). Either make it not obvious that the makeup ends right at the jawline or don’t use the green makeup at all. I don’t particularly care if vulcans are “supposed” to look green or not. T’Pol and Tuvok aren’t green and it doesn’t bother me. Noticeably shoddy makeup work on a show that otherwise has decent production value does. It’s not a huge deal (vulcans aren’t in every episode) but it could have been so easily avoided. Cool beans for anyone who couldn’t see anything out of place on their televisions, but I see it like black and white on my computer.