Do you think they are intentionally portraying George Kirk as unlikable?
There’s a definite difference between the Capt. Kirk as portrayed in the actual OS episodes and the legend of Kirk that has built up over 50 plus years of cultural references.
In the episodes, Kirk actually is a skilled leader. And he struggles to do his job well and work with his colleagues.
Hhe legend of Kirk however is a horny hot shot who breaks things.
You make some good points.
I agree about Kirk. In TOS he was a professional and while he did what he thought was right, he respected authority (when it deserved it). The myth of him being a rogue who ignores the rules comes mostly from the movies, especially The Search for Spock, and that was to save his best friend.
And beginning in Wrath of Khan with the story of how he beat the Kobayashi Maru test too?
Well, they were just baby Gorns. Baby humans aren’t good at building spaceships, either.
Abrams: “What?? He’d get kicked out! Write that in…along with how he’d get his ass kicked by Klingons and genetically superior supermen!!”
I don’t think Seven’s actions are inconsistent. She just accepts that killing drones is a necessary evil if they’re not in a position to reverse assimilation. She probably views it as mercy killing.
I liked how Kirk beat the Kobayashi Maru test in the TOS novel, aptly named The Kobayashi Maru.
"This is Captain James T. Kirk of the USS Farragut."
“The Captain Kirk?”
Even the “dead” cadet on the floor started laughing.
To be fair, that was a different James T. Kirk. The Kelvin timeline is different from the main timeline in much the way the Mirror Universe is. History is different, and you have doppelgängers that have some similarities and some differences.
(That was done completely on purpose, so Abrams can do whatever he wants without people complaining that anything was “wrong”.)
I enjoy the Abrams films as I enjoy the various Mirror Universe episodes (which by the way were the best episodes of Enterprise in my opinion), they are the Star Trek version of Marvel’s “What If?” stories.
I wonder what the real timeline split is that made OUR Kirk a “Stack of books with legs” who “Doesnt believe in the no-win scenario”
I would guess something in his family. Some kind of Lorenzo’s Oil thing where it was very personal to him and he did beat the odds initially but it was a stop-gap thing. Maybe he saved his dads life, but couldn’t prevent a divorce.
Season finale:
Pike tries to change the future by warning one of the two cadets who perishes in the accident about his fate, and gets a visit from his future self (wearing a Star Trek II-era uniform) telling him he can’t do that, that it would be a disaster.
And then we find out why.
And then we see what “Balance of Terror”, a classic TOS episode, would look like if Pike and (most) of his crew were in the situation instead of Kirk’s crew.
And then we get an unexpected visit from Kirk himself!
That’s the way you do a time travel episode! Referencing one of the best TOS episodes as well.
Though Kirk’s character spoke a bit too quickly. I missed the Shatner pauses! lol
Will never complain about twice the Pike, but it shouldn’t have been at the expense of less Chapel and Number One.
Meh. If you’re gonna remake BoT at least stay consistent .
Not related but I’ve always hated the pew pew weapons.
Not gonna try and detonate the plasma weapon that took 3 minutes to hit Enterprise in TOS but take 3 three seconds to hit Farragut and Enterprise?
Also the Romulan Commanders ship WAS “The Praetors finest and proudest flagship” not twirling mustache woman.
Its also dumb to blow up your own ‘finest and proudest ship’…even if i head-canon the Romulans plan to include a massive fleet just waiting to hear from The Romulan Commander*, its dumb to just blow him up for showing weakness. And then to back down??
*Yes i know what Stiles said. I don’t believe the plan was to immediatly invade.
Blow up outposts, report home and when the Praetor saw how weak they were launch a massive fleet. Not…“We’re just waiting to see you cross the goal line”
Its just weak storytelling. Its the typical Modern Trek smashing the nuance of old Trek cause it thinks its better with the pew pew and the Romulan ship having pew pew and moving like a jet fighter.
Edit: Ive given it a little more thought and ennnnnnhhhhhh…i guess i can kinda see how it works but i dont think i like it. The Praetor is proud strident Captain and not a fat pompous idiot willing to start a war for personal glory, like…ya know…in Rome.?? Ennnhhh
They already did that this season with the Gorn, too.
Yeah not the best ep to finish off on. My problems are not even the inconsistencies.
There’s NO future possible in which Pike lives in which Spock does not survive? NONE?
But maybe more - if you are going to introduce James Kirk then he should be someone who we finish wanting to see more of. This version? I could do with never meeting him again.
On the flip side, though, if they had a Kirk you wanted to see more of, you know there’d be lots of fans demanding they get rid of Pike already and put Kirk in charge.
Huh, I thought the episode was terrific.
I thought the entire first season was terrific.
If you asked me what I wanted in a new Star Trek show, well, it’s this. I am ready to watch fifty more episodes.