I hope that they take it up until Pike gets horribly mutilated and wheelchair bound and then have a remake of the Menagerie. We have until the kid grows up to become a cadet, right?
It’s stated as seven years. That’s a good mission length!
7 years till the accident - which, IIRC, was 2 years into Kirk’s command of the Enterprise.
I should have loved the finale but I only just liked it. Most of my issues are fanboy nitpicks but they added up enough to turn love to like (for example in the normal continuity Pike’s accident isn’t what made him leave the Enterprise; he was already gone when that happened). Still it was a fun adventure and it seemed to put to bed the storyline of Pike dwelling on his fate.
This season overall was great. I can’t wait for more but if I had a complaint it seemed that Number One was severely underused and now she is in prison which makes her even more removed from the action (which I assume will focus on Pike’s effort to free her). She was much more dynamic in Discovery season two and the Short Trek episodes. It seemed a shame she didn’t do more here.
Leaving this a five year mission?
Cool!
I know…I feel like my complaints are fanboy nitpicks too…but the main one is too much Star Wars in my Trek. Does Farragut not have rear weapons?? World War One destroyers have rear weapons.
Or it could do a maneuver like the White Star does at 3:15 in this clip.
It was established in DISCO that Pike’s accident was on a training cruise - it was after his time on the Enterprise.
During a mission to the Klingon monastery world of Boreth to recover a time crystal, he experienced a vision of an unavoidable future if he continued with his quest. His vision showed him aboard a Class J starship on a training cruise when a baffle plate ruptured, leaking delta radiation into engineering, causing severe burns and damage to his body. The vision then transported him to an empty corridor where he came face-to-face with himself in the life-support chair he would inhabit following the accident.
The SNW finale implied (or outright said?) that the accident was why he left the Enterprise which is my nitpick. Even in TOS the accident happened after (in fact if I remember The Menagerie correctly, the accident was not long before that episode happened).
MENDEZ: You don’t know? You actually don’t know what’s happened to Captain Pike? There’s been subspace chatter about it for months. I’m sorry to have to be the one to show you. He’s upstairs in the medical section.
I’ll have to rewatch - if that was said, I would agree with you.
I rewatched a few key scenes quickly* (the intro of old Pike, the alter-timeline Spock mindmeld and scene discussing the accident, and the exit).
The only place it seems stated that Pike was still in command of the Enterprise at the time of the accident was in the alternate timeline - Pike had made enough changes that he never left the Enterprise to do other things. Which given the nature of the episode, makes perfect sense.
It, IMHO, does not change what happens (happened?) in the prime timeline.
If you know of a different scene where this is implied - let me know - I’m genuinely curious.
*still at work, will rewatch on the big screen later tonite in full
Yes, it is possible that due to none of those training cadets who Pike warned off, Pike isn’t offered the opportunity to leave the Enterprise to train them as he would have in the Prime universe.
At least they didn’t deconstruct Kirk to elevate Pike.
I could largely care less about whatever continuity issues the episode raised – it was legitimately dramatic and the female Romulan Praetor was a serious psycho badass. I could kinda agree it’s a little convenient that EVERY deviation from the timeline ends up killing Spock. But I think my only major beef was with the casting of Kirk. I don’t need (or want) a Shatner clone but that guy was just an empty gold tunic. Hopefully this was just an end-of-season stunt and JTK isn’t going to be a big part of the series going forward. They have a great crew now; they certainly don’t need more TOS regulars too boost viewers.
That being said, how fun was it to hear Scotty?
I think it was more a take on Yesterday’s Enterprise than Balance of Terror.
And in that I don’t think it was terribly well done. Not really a feeling that the entire crew is taking a chance on something unknown for the better, just someone who knows the future already being reminded not to mess with it.
Oh . I thought of another stupid nitpick: Did the admiral say the romulan war was still going on? Or that it had lasted 11 years??
The Feds would curbstomp the Romulans after their initial gains from their shock invasion.
“The proudest and finest flagship” had a gimmick weapon never seen again, a crappy cloaking device and “simple impulse”
Admittedly it probably means their forced singularity drive hadn’t been detected
Yeah, I would have had no idea that was Kirk if they hadn’t named him. He didn’t look much like him but more importantly, he didn’t act anything like him.
Kirk always struck me as a confident, swaggering but thoughtful guy. This Kirk was nothing like that.
Still, the worst SNW episode is better than most episodes of any other Trek series. This show is fantastic.
I hope we get Scotty next season.
Problem is there’s not a whole lot similar circumstances to go on. Almost all of the Captains and Commodores and Admirals Kirk met were evil buffoons. So Kirk meeting a thoughtful diplomatic Captain on HIS (Pike) ship? I got nothing but nitpicks.
Kirk wouldn’t have stepped off the pad and walked past Pike throwing a “We need to talk Captain” over his shoulder. I mean…where are you going Kirk?? He’d have got in his face with barely held fury and said “Might I have a word. Captain?”
And what was that exchange, “Might I remind you, that you lost your ship?” …“Good point.”
The fuh??? Kirk must have lost at least 1/4 of his crew. The front half of the saucer section was gone.
Pike still being in command of the Enterprise in this alternate Balance of Terror is not a continuity error.
The Point of Divergence for this flash forward is not the accident not happening, but Pike writing the letter. As Admiral (?) Pike says the domino’s are unpredictable. They started falling right after that moment and for whatever reason Pike remained in command of the Enterprise.