Oh I agree, I think the whole irony of the bringing balance to the Force thing is going to be that there are too many JEDI. You’ve got more Jedi than you can shake a stick at, many in the Council and presumably more off screen who are off on missions or buying clone armies or whatever they do with their free time, and only two Sith. Knocking back the Jedi ranks to Ben and Yoda brings balance to the Force for sure. I think it’s one of those “be careful what you wish for” situations.
Maybe it’s like in The Magic Goes Away – the more Jedi there are, the more people there are using the Force, and the more the Force gets “diluted” from people using it too much.
How does Anakin bring balance to to the force? He kills the Emperor.
Did you miss Return of Jedi. Sure kills almost every Jedi first, but that is the price you pay.
I have a feeling Yoda never meant to kill Dooku. Don’t exactly know why I think that, maybe it is because Dooku knows who the Emperor is or something like that.
Hey wait a sec
Maybe…
Just maybe…
YODA IS IN ON IT!
He LEADS the clone army into battle! He lets DooDoo off with a warning!
I just watched ESB and I swear you can barely hear but Obi Wan says on Hoth "you must go the dagoba system and seek out Yoda (this part is hard to make out) and kill the muther fucker.
Oh my GOD!!!
And he’s wrong anyway.
Being passive is at the heart of the Jedi code. The object is to be able to watch your friends tortured and die, but be mellow about it.
And given Yoda’s “Hmmm…th’ kid’s the chosen one? We can train him or throw th’ little punk out in the street where he’ll certainly turn evil. I don’t wanna take the responsiblity for him. Out he goes!” and his later tap-dancing about training Luke, we can assume that the whole idea of being a Jedi is to be like a petty beureaucrat: do whatever the hell you can to avoid taking iany responsiblity, but be cool about it.
Fenris
As the Light Side had been in charge for a while and the Sith were all but wiped out, the balance to the force results in the Jedi being all but wiped out and the Sith being in charge (granted for much shorter than the Jedi were, but I guess ya gotta have a happy ending).
I dunno…but BZ00000 has a point.
By the time of ROTJ there isn’t any balance to the Force–the Emperor had it all tilted in his favor–he ruled the Empire unquestioned. Yoda was hiding as best he could, and besides him there was Luke, who wasn’t even yet a full Jedi yet?that?s the Good Side.
The Dark Side had Vader as an enforcer–a full blown Sith Lord; the Good Side had a hidden master and a not quite Knight and a potential (Leia maybe) in reserve.
I might have this wrong, but I remember reading that Lucas said that the Jedi that Returned was not Luke, but Anakin. Anakin/Vader returns to the Good Side at the end and brings balance to the Force by destroying the Emperor.
Any thoughts?
Also, I wonder at some parallels. Luke lost his hand facing Vader in the second movie of the trilogy.
But he defeats Vader with the Dark Side anger in ROTJ. Luke realizes it and then renounces the power the Dark Side may have given him.
Anakin loses his arm to Dooku in the second movie (like Luke and his hand to Vader). I see a parallel with Anakin defeating his ememy (maybe Count Dooku) in episode 3 (like Luke beats Vader), but unlike Luke, he gives into the Dark Side after he’s beaten his foe and is consumed and ensnared.
Darth Vader is born.
mmmh, I forgot to include the “canonical fact” that Obi-Wan deals Anakin/Vader his injuries.
Let’s see Epuisode 3
Well, I finally saw Episode II yesterday.
And I just know the next time I see Jedi when Luke cuts off Vader’s hand I’m going to be desperate to hear Vader say, “Oh no, not again!”
But then the Force is out of balance again: The Sith are destroyed forever and only Jedi rule.
On the other hand, Luke’s version of being a Jedi (he doesn’t fear the fact that he has normal human emotions, he’s willing to act, rather than do the bullsh*t “Be passive” crap that Yoda spews, hell, he’s willing to do the right thing (going to rescue his friends) rather than cower in a swamp.
So maybe the idea of “bringing balance to the force” is to get Luke to be the start of a third order, neither Sith nor Jedi that combines the good points of both. Oh sure. Luke calls himself a Jedi, but since he ignored pretty much everything that Yoda taught him (and the more he ignored, the more successful he was) he’s really not a Jedi in the sense that Obi-Wan and Yoda were.
Fenris
[JK]
Because sometimes the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many.
[/JK]
Perhaps the Jedi Council are wrong about Annikin as being the Chosen One to restore balance to the Force.
If balance means some kind of triumph of Jedi over Sith, that dosen’t make sense: in TPM the Council wasn’t even aware the
Sith were still around until the last minute.
Luke isn’t even around yet, so who knows what HIS midichlorian count is.
His ‘power’ seems to be the ability to pull someone back from the Dark Side…now THAT balances things out, to me.
The whole Jedi religion seems to be a bunch of illogical, inhumane, immoral, inconsistent mush. Yoda’s counsel and actions are always so silly that the only way any of it makes sense is if he is secretly in league with Palpatine to bring Annakin over to the dark side. It would explain his silly advice in the original trilogy as well.
Fenris:
“But then the Force is out of balance again: The Sith are destroyed forever and only Jedi rule.”
Yeah, but there are no Jedi except Luke (I haven’t read any expanded universe, so I base my comments on the movies alone). I can buy your idea about a third order.
Maybe Anakin/Vader brings balance by destroying the Dark Side Emperor and fathering Luke?who starts a new order.
Maybe by the end of ROTJ Luke is the new fulcrum by which balance will be measured. And since Lucus probably won?t be making sequels, what?s going to be canonical with the Star Wars universe? Again, I haven?t read anything and only seen the movies.
Not bad for 67 posts, Dude.
But Like dosen’t save his friends. Leia, Chewie and Lando save themselves and pick up R2 which Luke had dropped.
Luke dosen’t save Han till a year later.
What Luke does do at Bespin is get his hand cut off and his arse kicked. If Luke didn’t go to Cloud City the same results could have happened. Han still would have been saved at Jabbas Palace. Leia, Chewie and Lando still could have got off. The only thing is that R2 had to be there so he could turn the hyperdrive back on so the Falcon could get away. So bringing R2 to cloud city was all Luke really accomplished.
But I think he learned something;
Sorry. That’s South Park.
Um, Vader has way more injuries than a lost hand. Like, say, the fact that he can’t breath without a death mask?
I too noticed the deal with the cane-Yoda needs a cane to walk, but he can kick ass like nobody’s business?
And why didn’t poor Clegg Lars get a replacement leg? I KNOW they have them! (probably couldn’t afford it, the poor bastard).