Agree, but human nature says that some of those not truly invested (i.e. white people) will give up on them if the street is one way and there is no appreciation for their efforts. This is especially true when your allies have their own issues - i.e. I wouldn’t imagine its easy street for a gay cop in the majority of cities - the guy who was predisposed to be on your side, and really in a position to help you get that justice, you just pissed him off. And maybe he is the kind of person who will brush it off, but maybe, he won’t give you as much as he would have before you made it all about you.
As a progressive, I am always seeking to expand the definition of “we”. We are black, we are gay, we are Muslim. I am none of those things, but “we” are.
Not a fan of Stringbean’s folksy news reports from Lake 'Frobegon?
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Don’t call other posters “motherfuckers.”
No warning issued.
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Well, presumably not, because they were there to march in a gay pride parade. While I agree that homophobia in black communities is a problem, I doubt that the members of black communities who march in gay pride parades are a really significant part of that problem.
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The black lives that have been trying to remove police protection from gay pride events?
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Got a cite for that? AFAICT, what the Toronto BLM wanted was not to have police floats in gay pride events. I have read of other BLM participants pulling out of gay pride events because of large police presence, but not actually removing police protection.
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Someone should tell BLM that the reason gays have made so much social progress was by showing society they deserve it, not by being assholes every chance they got.
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Well, you’re young and likely don’t remember the days when the mere fact of having a gay pride event was generally perceived as “gays being assholes every chance they got”. No, gay people did not obtain equal rights by just being meekly deserving and refusing to upset people with their demands.
Were they? Because it sounds like they were there to stop a gay pride parade.
Gay pride parades have always been diverse as heck. No, BLM is not a gay group. It’s a black group and blacks are more homophobic than the general populace and being included in a gay pride parade and then engaging in blackmail and extortion is crap, pure and simple.
What’s the diff? Don’t let the door hit in the ass on the way out.
Not that young in fact and of course there have always been those who think gays and lesbians doing anything other than remaining thoroughly closeted and hidden was being “uppity and in your face.” So what? Gays didn’t gain acceptance by engaging in blackmail and extortion and intimidation. There may have been some lesbian avengers staging same-sex kiss-ins to gain attention but I see that as doing it the right way. Not the asshole way.
I know.
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It’s a black group and blacks are more homophobic than the general populace
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I know. My point was simply that blacks who participate in gay pride parades are probably not more homophobic than the general populace. Fairly uncontroversial inference, I would have thought.
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Gays didn’t gain acceptance by engaging in blackmail and extortion and intimidation.
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:dubious: Actually, that’s exactly what many of their opponents said they did do:
I’m not saying that I agree with BLM’s decision in the Toronto situation, but I completely disagree with your claim that gay-rights activists were not labeled as “engaging in blackmail and extortion and intimidation” for being assertive in their demands.
Where all the liberals are weak, Stringbean is good looking, and the number of embarrassing glib misuses of rhetorical forms is above average.
Nope, they were there to march in the parade, they staged a sit-in that delayed the parade for about half an hour, and then they did march in the parade:
Tony Perkins and Hans von Spakovsky? Well, that certainly settles that!
LGBT blacks who attend gay pride parades probably aren’t homophobic but I don’t expect a BLM group to be less homophobic. They seem to like hijacking other peoples’ safe places to further their own agenda, in a disrespectful way, IMHO.
Sure, as I said, there are those who would accuse “the gay agenda” of terrorism for so much as holding hands. So what? Gays and lesbians didn’t gain societal approval by actually doing that. Quite the opposite. They didn’t sink to society’s lowest expectations, they showed they were not what people feared.
I agree they were, and still are, accused of it. I disagree they sunk so low as to prove their critics right.
Also, black people can be part of the LGBT community, I would assume that some of the people who marched in the parade are. And LGBT people of color have some different issues than white LGBT people. Transwomen of color are especially vulnerable and are murdered at a higher percentage than the recent of the population.
I agree that I don’t know if BLM’s activity was the best way to go about things, but it got attention which is what they were wanting, and it fits with the history of pride parades. I remember last year when gay marriage was passed in the US, a lot of people acted like everything was okay now, but there are still a lot of LGBT people fighting for their rights and their lives, especially people of color. I know that this was in Canada, but I’d guess things are somewhat similar there.
Just curious: I wonder if BLM will protest at the Caribana parade too?
If somebody shows up and claims the is BLM, you gonna check his boney fidos? How?
We can’t call each other “motherfucker” in the Pit?
Is this new?
You think a BLM group marching in a gay pride parade is likely to be more homophobic than the general populace? How you figure? Have you missed the point that this BLM group was invited and agreed to march as the “Honored Group” in the Toronto Pride parade?
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They didn’t sink to society’s lowest expectations, they showed they were not what people feared.
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A BLM group holding up a parade by a non-violent sit-in for half an hour to make demands for more intersectional inclusiveness of, e.g., LGBT people of color and indigenous peoples are “sinking to society’s lowest expectations” and “what people feared”?
Really? Are you sure you’re not being just a teensy bit melodramatic about this?
Stringbean doesn’t give a chicken’s ass about Gay Pride. Defending (white, middle-class, well-behaved) gay people is the new right-wing excuse for trashing Muslims and blacks.
So they pulled Kanye West?
Yep, brand new in, oh, 2009 or so.