And you not only have the intellect of a gnat, you lack even the most basic sense of proportion.
It’s “filibustering” to ask for cites for things that are common knowledge. The President has been on a fundraising trip this month. It has been headline news, if anyone disputes it, go to CNN and stop bothering the people here who actually pay attention.
“Common knowledge” is something that is posted that we all agree happened, if we have been paying the most rudimentary attention to the news or were awake in history class. If someone asks you to cite that Neil Armstrong was the first man to step on the moon, that person is a moron. You can do it as a courtesy, but if the other 400 people who are reading your thread know that he was the first man on the moon, why bother? LIkewise, I know that almost everyone here is aware that the President has attacked Republicans on immigration many times over the past few months. Robot Arm is aware of this too I’d bet.
And finally, you probably need it explained why you have no sense of proportion. People who murder their children are scum. Dictators who execute political prisoners are scum. People you don’t like on a discussion board are annoyances. They might even be stupid, as you are proving yourself to be. But I would not begin to question your morals. For all I know, you could be quite a wonderful spouse and/or parent and help old ladies across the street. One doesn’t have to be intelligent to do all that, of course.
Consider this a courtesy. I will cite for anything where people honestly don’t know or dispute something, but I feel no obligation to cite the obvious.
Good question. They don’t. You’re missing the point. TSA actually would be in charge of preventing someone with a dangerous infectious disease from entering the country. If he’d made his connecting flight before collapsing, it would have been up to them.
Had they failed in that task, the CDC would be responsible for informing the public and mustering the response to the potential outbreak.
This assumes that everything is working as it should. Since both TSA and the CDC have come under a lot of criticism for not working as they should, the unfortunate event that occurred today should be a warning to the President that the TSA and CDC, and probably the INS as well, just in case, should get their shit together.
So nothing bad happened and in light of a situation never ever encountered before it appears that some policies should be updated, therefore Obama = bad.
Makes about as much sense as anything else you post, so fine.
Turns out that the CDC actually operates quarantine stations in many major airports:
So they would actually be in charge of making sure sick passengers don’t bring dangerous foreign diseases into the country.
The CDC’s role:
Respond to reports of illness or death on airplanes, cargo vessels, and other conveyances at international ports of entry within jurisdiction.
Review medical records of migrants who will reside permanently in the United States. Notify state and local health departments of any migrants with specific medical conditions.
Partner with other federal agencies and local and state health departments, private medical providers, and hospitals in preparedness activities related to quarantine and isolation at ports of entry.
Monitor importations that may have pathogens infectious to humans.
Partner with health departments regarding emergency response, migrant health, and other public health issues.
So this is a point in time where a good leader will make sure that they are in fact ready to do their job and do it well. Because the stakes are perhaps higher than even in the Veterans administration, where the culture just broke down.
In regards to this particular issue, I never said Obama was doing anything bad. I said that he needs to give it his personal attention.
As much as I rag on the guy, he’s got more than two years left to improve his performance as the guy running the executive branch. I’m optimistic that he can do it. He’s smart enough. He just has to decide that it’s not beneath him to worry about day-to-day governance.
And there’s zero reason to believe the quarantine procedure did not work, so the entire point is more of your partisan bullshit.
Scum like you are the reason the government is grinding to a halt. You don’t care one bit about the truth, just about your narrative.
My claim is that you are doing a piss poor job backing up your claim.
Let’s try a different approach. While the President’s words and actions may be common knowledge (to some degree), what’s not common knowledge is exactly what you think constitutes an “attack”.
Exactly what words in there do you consider to be an attack? (It’s genuinely not obvious to me.)
And from your first cite, there’s this:
That directly contradicts your claim that the House Republican’s inaction on the issue is a response to attacks from the President.
Would be nice if you first understood the narrative. The quarantine procedure has not been put to the test, because the infected person never made it here. If he had, would the procedures have worked?
If I’m the President, I really want to know about now. That’s all I’m saying. I won’t go off on the President for letting ebola come to the US unless the CDC actually falls down on the job. All I’m doing right now is hoping that he’s engaged on this issue. We don’t want to hear, “Well, the first I heard of it was when it was in the papers” again.
Oh for the love of fuck, so now the POTUS, the fucking commander in chief of the nations military, needs to find time in his day to oversee every critical function of every area of the vast federal government?!
A full committee could spend years reviewing a single office like the CDC.
From the first cite:
“Last year, Democrats and Republicans in the Senate came together to pass a commonsense bill to fix our broken immigration system,” the president said in a statement Wednesday. “But so far, Republicans in the House have refused to allow meaningful immigration reform legislation to even come up for a vote. … Immigration reform is the right thing to do for our economy, our security, and our future. A vast majority of the American people agree. The only thing standing in the way is the unwillingness of Republicans in Congress to catch up with the rest of the country.”
THat’s an attack. And it’s obviously not my partisan blinders, because TPM also sees it as an attack.
The Republicans, up to that point, were working on finding agreement within their caucus on smaller bills addressing issues of common agreement, like border security. Bob Goodlatte led the effort. The House Judiciary Committee passed four bills out of committee:
H.R. 2278, the “Strengthen and Fortify Enforcement Act” (The SAFE Act)[7]
H.R. 1773, the “Agricultural Guestworker Act”[8]
H.R. 1772, the “Legal Workforce Act”[9]
H.R. 2131, the “SKILLS Visa Act”[9]
Once the President went on the attack, Republicans lost interest in pursuing it any further this year. This isn’t hurt feelings, it’s simply Republicans not trusting the President’s good faith. And they have serious doubts that he’ll enforce the border security provisions anyway.
Again, you misunderstand. A leader facilitates a culture of accountability. When he finds out that things aren’t working as they should, he gets to the bottom of it and demands that things get fixed. Take the health care website for example. I think that he wasn’t proactive enough in making sure the site would be ready on time. But once it turned into a disaster, he gave it his personal attention and things got better pretty quickly.
All I want with the CDC is that he be a little more proactive this time. He is, or should be, aware that the CDC has recently been having some problems. If I’m in charge of CDC, I want to know that they have their shit together and that they are ready to handle a possible ebola outbreak. He could ask Burwell, head of HHS: “What preparations are we making for this? Do they have the resources they need? How well have the quarantine stations been utilized before now?” Burwell, utilizing the functional chain of command that should exist in the federal bureaucracy, would find out pretty quickly what he needed to know and bring it to the President. If the CDC doesn’t have the resources, the President asks Congress for emergency resources(as he’s done on the border crisis). If the resources aren’t a problem but they are having communication issues or aren’t clear on how quarantine cases should be handled, then they need to work that out. Some decisions might require Presidential authority, since quarantining people is a pretty extreme event that denies the quarantined their right to liberty. So they might need better direction from the top on when they should act and under what circumstances.
I don’t know exactly how everything is supposed to work in the federal government, but these are basic management principles that should apply in general even if I got something specific in there wrong. It’s a given in any organization that if something is wrong and the chain of command isn’t correcting the problem, then it’s the problem of the guy at the top to solve. And if something really big is coming or could be coming, any conscientious leader is going to be sending inquiries down the chain of command, “Are we ready for this?”
I expected that response, becuase i’ve heard it before. It’s not about hurt feelings, it’s about good faith. Attacking tells Republicans that he sees more advantage in having the issue than in getting a bill passed. Since Republicans can get in hot water with their base for passing ANYTHING not border security, they need to know they won’t just be passing something that the Senate or the President will just reject out of hand because they never really wanted anything to pass unless they could get their way 100%.
THe President has said that the immigration bill passed by the Senate is a compromise measure, that Democrats didn’t get everything they wanted. I have to wonder, what in the Senate bill is there that they didn’t want in there or what got left out that they did want. Because it sure doesn’t look like a compromise to me. The Senate immigration bill looks like it just fulfills the Democrats’ entire wishlist.
Given that, it makes the GOP House rightfully suspicious that the President will not accept any bill that they can pass. WHich means they shouldn’t bother passing one.
BTW, count that as the stupid liberal idea of the very young day: that a President has no control over the bureaucracy.
IT’s not just stupid because it’s untrue. It’s also stupid because it refutes the very idea of democracy. It admits that we have an uncontrollable, unaccountable bureaucracy and that there are no elected officials that we can hold accountable when it fails or commits crimes.
The framers of the Constitution placed all executive authority in one man for a reason. Because they feared precisely this result: an out of control permanent bureaucracy that is unaccountable to voters.
Your attempt to hold Obama responsible for all the failings of the federal government is where this argument falls down.
Surely the head of the CDC, the VA, the CIA, etc., can all be held accountable for their organizations, but to suppose that one man can oversee that vast a reach is ludicrous.
He oversees his cabinet. Now obviously if something just honestly catches him by surprise, perhaps due to lack of communication from the people who are supposed to be doing their jobs, then he’s not directly responsible for that failing. But he does have to fix it. He’s shown an ability to do so, and he’s actually not bad at all at it when he’s engaged.
On the CDC issue and their ability to prevent or handle a possible ebola outbreak, there can be no surprise. He knows what’s going on and there are steps he can take as President to make sure the CDC is ready to go. He should be taking those steps now. What if they need more money to handle such an emergency? He needs to know that. And if the lines of communication aren’t working as they should and they aren’t telling him they need more resources, he needs to ask. If he finds out about it in the papers, then he did it wrong.