Ah, let’s explore two subjects here: stupidity, which most of you are familiar with, and hypocrisy, which liberals have made an art form.
Stupidity: I didn’t use a strawman. Read the damn column and tell me if you agree with her or not. Speaking of points which don’t get addressed, Robot Arm. What is it now, twenty posts, seven posters, all ignoring the column because it’s a) either stupid and they can’t admit it, or b) because they just really don’t like it when the wisdom of ever-increasing federal spending is questioned.
Hypocrisy: When I defend Republican ideas as not stupid in the opposite thread, that’s a hijack. When liberals defend liberal ideas that they believe not to be stupid in this thread, it’s not. I linked to an extraordinarily dumb column as evidence of stupidity by a particular liberal and the reaction was as if i’d kicked your dog.
adaher, just admit that you pulled the liberal/painkiller thing out of your ass (or Hannity’s ass). You admitted that you had no idea if liberals actually believed in this, so you might as well admit that you had no basis for your criticism.
c) I don’t feel compelled to comment on every subject in every thread on this board. Even in an omnibus thread like this that goes on for years, posters aren’t required to weigh in on each new topic. Maybe we agree with it, maybe we don’t, maybe by the time we get here someone else has already posted the same point we’d like to make, maybe we just don’t have the time.
And that’s quite different from abandoning a conversation in which one is an active participant, and in which your ideas have been quoted and directly addressed.
Let me explain: I wasn’t saying that liberals demand that government get between patients and doctors when it comes to pain management, only that they have no objections. What I wanted to know is why liberals only think patients and doctors’ judgement is sacrosanct for one damn medical procedure? Because it’s not like it hasn’t been proven that there are doctors who will outright kill babies outside the womb or perform elective abortions on viable fetuses. Yet on abortion, unlike ANY OTHER medical procedure, it’s considered too much of a burden for the doctor and patient to demonstrate that a late term abortion is medically necessary. We’ll just trust them.
As I was saying, I wish liberals would extend that trust to someone other than a very specific medical specialty. I guess it would be too much to ask for that trust to be extended to say, barbers, but can we at least extend the same trust to neurologists or rheumatologists? Just for a start? Or, at least a little consistency. If we’re going to make doctors who prescribe pain pills account for why they are doing it, we should at least make the Kermit Gosnells of the world account for why they are doing late term abortions. They should have to document that shit.
I abandon threads when there’s no further use in continuing the conversation. I won’t say I’m never wrong, but sometimes you guys can be pretty thick. Case in point, right now. I also cannot respond to every argument made by fifteen posters who vehemently disagree with me. I respond to the ones worth responding to and I’ll let the stupid ones lie because they speak for themselves.
There actually is a fair amount of regulation with painkillers. So that makes this a non-starter.
Since when is it sacrosanct? You think there are no regulations? Or do you feel every abortion needs to have another doctor on the process along with maybe a few fat, middle-age male state senators to approve the procedure?
The thread I’m thinking of is one you didn’t abandon. You were only gone long enough to avoid the posts that would have been inconvenient for you to try to address.
What you’re wrong about here is everything you think you know about liberals. When you say “liberals are/do X”, you’re usually incorrect. If you want to know how liberals actually think in the real world, just ask.
So your assumptions about how liberals feel about medical procedures and “trust” are wrong here, for the most part.
For what it’s worth, I’m okay with putting more regulations on the sale of useless crap like homeopathics than on actual medications, many of which could be sold OTC.
Being a sane Canadian, I assume I qualify as “liberal” by American standards.
Is there some initiative working its way through Congress that would place new restrictions on doctors’ ability to prescribe painkillers? Or is there some proposal to limit the production or import of them? Again, I don’t mean any snark. I’m just curious if there is some new issue I’m not aware of. My wife (a doctor) hasn’t come home and bitched about any new laws, but then she doesn’t prescribe pain medication all that often.
I think doctors should generally be allowed to treat patients as they see fit. I also think there should be some regulations on medical care to ensure safety and limit fraud. This doesn’t seem like a particularly controversial position.
I mean, if there is some proposal on the table, I can tell you if I object to it or not. But a vague, “Do you object to restrictions?” is kind of hard to answer.
Yeah, there is a new issue that **adaher **just concocted. The government regulates painkillers, and since liberals don’t decry that interference as loudly as they decry anti-choice legislation, we are hypocrites. Or something.
At the state level, legislators have been cracking down on overprescription of opiates and other pain medications. Not sure what adaher is getting at because the legislation has largely been a Republican effort. For example, Florida’s pill mill law was drafted by the Republican Attorney General and sponsored by Republicans in both houses.
Considering that most of the actual stupidity in this thread* was provided by liberals, one of the threads is mostly working that way.
*That is, the residue left after you deduct Clothy’s frothing over the latest item Fox News told him to froth over (such as “My God, Obama’s appointing administrators to administrative posts!” ) and adaher’s ranting against what he hallucinates liberals do (as with the recent painkiller incoherency).
Being opposed to the name on the grounds that it is racist is a reasonable stance to take. But we still have something called the 1st amendment in this country. I remember a time when liberals stood up for it.
So liberals do not believe that the decision to undergo a legal medical procedure is between the patient and doctor? They do not believe the government should stay out of such private decisions?
I caught a big steaming load of snark and bullshit from you people for daring to post this. You may all now line up, file by one by one, and apologize.
Although I ain’t holding my breath for it to happen. That would require you to admit I’m right (which I usually am) and you’d rather have your little haids
asplode before doing that.
