You opened up an intriguing line of conjecture, but then bailed. Were you about to boldly rip the mask off the liberal conspiracy to disarm America?
It’s not exactly a conspiracy. They’ve done it in places where they have the votes, until the Supreme Court struck down such laws.
…Yeah, and we’re usually pretty open about that, too.
Oh look, another lawyer.
Ironic.
Gun deaths are overwhelmingly committed by criminals, right? In blue States? Urban areas? Funny, we never see gun control threads due to the um-teen inner-city deaths of the past week, yet it’s always the rural “cowboys” that are the problem…
You are? Whenever someone on the pro-gun side mentions that whatever is being proposed is just “the first step”, the response usually involves a reference to the slippery slope fallacy.
I’m sure there are some who favor only “common sense” limitations, but it’s not hard to find articles written by prominent liberals claiming that the 2nd amendment confers no individual right to own guns. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s pretty out in the open.
Other than having that totally backwards, close.
Note that your linked article claims to show “age-adjusted firearm deaths per 100,000 population” (based on questionable hospital-related data – read the comments), not the actual number of corpses, and makes the more sparsely-populated states appear worse.
Since that was the overwhelming majority view for about 200 years, that should not be surprising.
It doesn’t make them “appear worse.” It demonstrates that they are worse. Unless you think they should get credit for not shooting anyone in an empty desert. Really, though, it shows that the God-and-Jesus-lovin’, fag-hating, gun-toting South is worst of all.
200 years? To the best of my knowledge the principle that owning weapons was an inherent right of free men was reiterated and upheld at least through the Civil War. The first major decision I’m aware of that limited the right to own and carry guns was Presser v. Iliinois in 1886.
Whether it was an “inherent right of free men” is unrelated to the issue of whether the Second Amendment conferred or protected that right.
It does, or else it doesn’t make any sense. If you only have the “right” to bear arms as part of a militia, then that’s not a right, that’s a duty. And last I checked, it’s not the Bill of Duties.
Did you read the McDonalds lawsuit? When you admit you were pig-fuckingly wrong about that and McD’s was at fault and it wasn’t a frivolous lawsuit, come back and we’ll talk again
The 2nd Amendment is a masterpiece of ambiguity, it can be interpreted reasonably and fairly as stating two entirely opposite imperatives. I entirely scorn any argument that insists otherwise.
Manipulate the statistics as you wish (and what is “age-adjusted”?) but still probably safer in the desert or in the South, than in inner-city Chicago, Detroit, or any other such liberal utopia.
Grew up in Waco, Texas, a little bit of all of the above. My local paper always put certain news on the comics page, down below Alley Oop. That’s where you might read about the altercation at the Dew Drop Inn or another popular watering hole, where guns were drawn and fired, some injuries sustained, seldom fatal. I thought that was normal. Until I left.
I’ll put it this way: for 100 years or more everyone seemed to think it did. Consider that at the Confederate surrender at Appomattox Court House at the end of the American Civil War, defeated rebel officers were allowed to keep their private sidearms. Rebels, allowed to remain armed (at least as individuals- the Army of Virginia’s ordnance was collected). For a right some claim has never been conferred or protected, it sure commanded respect back in the day.
Can I quote this next time “states rights” are brought up by conservatives? Cause it sounds like you are saying that the only rights that matter are individual rights.
oh, yeah - whenever we liberals talk about utopia, we usually mean the inner city.
oh, yeah - whenever we liberals talk about utopia, we usually mean the inner city.
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I guess he prefers a conservative utopia, like small-government Somalia.