So not only are you in favor of punishing people for poor choices, but you’re in favor of punishing innocent children for their parents’ poor choices.
Which is irrelevant anyway as for many people living at or below the poverty line, they are never given good choices to make.
In other words, curlcoat shows her ass again. News at 11, but not film because no one needs to see that.
:rolleyes: So in other words, you think that people should just go ahead and have kids, buy houses and vehicles, go on vacations, etc etc when they can’t afford to do any of that? We should just keep encouraging it, and teaching the next generation that they don’t need to put any effort into getting educated and finding a job?
I lived well below the poverty line, yet I got out - not by marrying up no matter what anyone wants to make up - without having to go on the dole at any time. And there is nothing special about me, since I only have a high school education and no real skills to speak of. I was just willing to work two and three jobs, and to put off things I couldn’t afford to buy, and to - golly gee - live within my means.
As long as people like you see little wrong with people who are obviously unable to support children having them, the number of people getting handouts in the form of things like EBT, subsidized housing, and now subsidized medical and dental care will keep growing. You’d think that California would show you the error of that but apparently no one is willing to learn from this state’s mistakes.
OTOH, this is becoming less and less of an issue for me. It appears that the move to a completely socialist USA is going to move slowly enough that I should be dead of old age before you all manage to tax me back into poverty, and I don’t have any kids I’m leaving behind to worry about. You on the other hand?
And yes, no one needs to see my cottage cheese ass! 
Guys, stay on topic. This is the stupid liberal idea thread, not the stupid curlcoat idea thread.
Arguing with curlcoat is about the only way this thread could come close to the stupid Republican idea thread in total posts.
Well, it’s a stupid liberal idea that strangers should be forced to be responsible for those who cannot be bothered to be responsible for themselves…
I don’t recognize the deserving/undeserving poor dichotomy, no. I simply see people in need of help and I support programs to provide that help indirectly through my voting and directly via donations of time and money to local chapters.
You’re still an ass and no matter how much money you claim to have, you will never be more than gutter trash. You shame yourself with every post you make and I can only hope and pray that you are putting on a show because the idea that someone as profoundly repugnant as you exists in real life fills me with utter horror.
Not enough bandwidth in the world.
By God, you are so right. So let’s make sure they can’t get contraceptives!
I sure hope you don’t consider yourself a Christian (or Jew, or Muslim, or really any religion, or much of a Human for that matter…)
No, what you are actually doing when you vote to support another program is placing a heavy tax burden on those who are increasingly unable to afford it, to support people that you have decided are deserving. Serious question - why do you think an individual is deserving of handouts - just because they are poor? And another one - at what income level do you think they should be able to start paying taxes to cover all these people you think deserve to be supported?
Good lord. Just because I think people should be responsible for themselves, and the dole should be limited to those who honestly fell on hard times due to no fault of their own, I’m “gutter trash”? I “shame” myself by noticing that the more handout programs there are, the poorer the state of California has become? And then, simply because I don’t agree with you on your definition of who “deserves” handouts, I am repugnant? Are you really that immature and narrowminded?
I’m not sure what your point is? As far as I’m concerned, anyone wanting any government handout should be required to be on contraceptives.
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I sure hope you don’t consider yourself a Christian (or Jew, or Muslim, or really any religion, or much of a Human for that matter…)
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Twenty or so years from now, they pass laws that give everyone who needs it a place to live with all utilities, enough food to eat, all medical and dental care, free schools and daycare for all their children and extra spending money for their cigarettes and beer. But, the 1% are still running the politicians. Where is the money going to come from to pay for all of that? Don’t scoff, we are almost there in Cali, and it looks like you all are trying to make it nationwide.
Oh, it’s not just welfare, although your attitude here is indicative of why you are such a nasty piece of work. As to the rest of your post, it’s a load of idiocy. You moron, I pay taxes too, which is more than you can claim to, sponger.
Sigh. This is why the US has so many problems - people like you making political decisions based on zero information. Such as; I pay taxes. I pay a lot of taxes, more than I paid back when I was working those 2 or 3 jobs. I am supporting all those people that you won’t define as to why you think they are deserving (don’t think I didn’t notice that you ducked that question), and watching our school districts go to hell because the government wants us to teach them all English. But yeah, you just keep believing that I am somehow sponging off of society.
And another reason why we have so many problems? People like you who can only think in black and white. I don’t share your - what? - opinion? drive? life’s work? that all children must have money thrown at them, unless they are rich, so therefore there is no way that anything I say might have meaning. Like the fact I’ve traveled quite a bit in a third world country and can see what social requirement/support of having children one cannot afford does to the population and to the children themselves. What the lack of a middle class can do to a whole country. Or, closer to home, what the liberal desire to support everyone no matter how useless they are does to the population of a state.
As I said before, this most likely will never be a real problem for me and I have no children to worry about the kind of world they will inherit. The irony is that it will be your children/grandchildren that will be stuck with what you’ve done, because you refuse to look beyond today. But yeah, you keep hating on me based on zero facts other than I am tired of supporting people who sit on their butts and do no work other than create more government dependents. If I’m still here in 20 years, I’ll say I told you so.
As I understand it, wealth and incomes for the top earners in the U.S. have been going up steadily for quite some time. As the years go by, they are increasingly more able to afford higher taxes.
Maybe in your town, pal, but around here the ultra-rich have been reduced to wearing sackcloth tunics and pickle barrels on suspenders, selling the last drops of their gold-flecked plasma and even begging change on street corners just to keep the shiftess poor illegal aliens in their designer sneakers and smartphones and Cadillacs with spinning-wheel hubcaps. And will THEY drop a few coins in the rich man’s moth-eaten felt hat? HA!
No such thing in curlcoat’s ideology.
I don’t recall the specifics, maybe somebody else can. It involved a vigorous effort to throw the lazy bums off of welfare, so they set about determining who those bums were. Ended up costing them several millions of dollars, and they saved about a hundred grand.
There are some among us who simply crave to be hard-headed and stern, who believe that suffering is good for you, it builds character. Good people who suffer tend to become more empathetic, they heard the truth in “There but for fortune go you and I.” Bad people who suffer simply become mean and grasping.
Not to mention the people that made what anybody could consider good choices, but had the bad luck of having the industry they worked in collapse, or any other reason beyond their control make their choices moot.
I hate to bring up the old “curlcoat must be a teenager reading Ayn Rand in the basement of her parent’s house” cliche but it seems unlikely that anybody who has lived and worked in the real world for any period of time to have not seen people who seem to have made good choices but they simply did not work out.
…we all get older, but becoming wiser with age is optional.
Not only am I sure curlcoat is not a teenager, I’m deeply suspicious that she ever was one. Much easier to imagine her leapfrogging over those years, from young schoolgirl straight to sour-faced harridan.
Those aren’t the ones being taxed so heavily that they wonder if they can afford it.
Which of course is why the country originally put welfare programs in place. But people who only see in black & white don’t seem to understand that such handouts should only be for those have worked hard, lived within their means, saved and still ended up in trouble, not for those who have never bothered to work, who came here pregnant with their anchor baby or who planned on using handouts should something happen to their income. That’s why we have the current economic problems here ya know - people either too stupid or too irresponsible to know they shouldn’t buy a house they can barely afford.
I have never read Ayn Rand, and I left my parents home as soon as I legally could. I worked in “the real world” for almost 40 years, sometimes at more than one job, and my husband still works there. Part of the experiences I have had with the irresponsible come from when I was working, so I take it that you have never known anyone to just piss away a good job, at a time when it wouldn’t be easy to get another one? Or anything like the one co-worker I had, who went thru bankruptcy and then a year later had kid number four because the other three were aging out of youth baseball and her husband still wanted to coach? She lost her job in 2007 when I did, didn’t really have any skills, couldn’t speak or write English very well (she was born here) and her husband worked for the Post Office. I imagine they are living with her parents after being unable to make their rent, feed four kids and make payments on the Suburban they bought new in 2006 on his salary. If he even still has his job!
Not that work is the only place you can find examples of that sort of thing - the house next door to us had two defaults (two different owners) in less than 10 years, before the current owners finally bought it. The first family had a balloon payment (or whatever that’s called) and right after they moved in they had a couple of kids, bought a couple of cars and went on at least one week long vacation. The bigger mortgage payment came due and they just stopped paying, which may have been their plan all along, or maybe they thought they could refinance or something, I don’t know. The bank took the house and sold it again to a young couple who broke up after six months, she stayed in the house, no one made payments.
Or, I know a lot of people who stayed on unemployment because it was easier and paid almost as well as working. Three of them recently got jobs within a month or so of being informed their benefits and extensions were going to run out. Of course, none of them had any health insurance or much in savings, so if anything had happened I guess Medicaid would have had to deal with that? Dunno.
Etc. Your knee-jerk response is that every last person out there who is unemployed, or lost their house in the crash, or raising their kids on EBD must have ended up there thru no fault of their own. My experience is that, at least in the state of California, doing things like buying with cash (check/debit card), living within one’s means, having savings, having a solid retirement plan and account and just bloody trying to plan ahead are all old fashioned and no longer necessary. People are told everywhere by everyone that they “deserve” whatever it is they want, and when they want it. Whether they have actually worked to earn it or not. Then when things come crashing down on their heads, people like you tell them it’s not their fault, and so it keeps going on.
(You know, for what is supposed to be an intellectual board, it never ceases to amaze me how quickly so many pigeonhole a person because of one belief. I googled Ayn Rand, and nothing I’ve said should lead you to believe I have anything in common with her. I guess because I’m tired of paying thru the nose to support people who cannot be bothered to be at all responsible, that must mean that I am not at all altruistic huh?
Whatever happen to people being able to see and understand multiple viewpoints?)