Stupid Republican idea of the day

[smithsb]

@Rick_Kitchen

Ivanka and Lil Marco Rubio are working on a paid family leave program which would take money out of people’s social security accounts, thus forcing them to have to postpone retirement.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/04/rubio-ivanka-trump-family-leave-385050

I see an expansion coming to this idea. You take your regular vacation leave and the the pay from that comes out of your SS account. See, the Republicans aren’t going to kill Social Security; that would be political suicide. They’ll just use it in lieu of vacation pay, family leave, sick leave, etc…

[ThelmaLou]

@k9bfriender

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Paying them for taking all that time off, though? That’s pretty expensive, and is something that would make many small businesses rather non-viable if there is not some sort of subsidy at least to help cover that payroll.

Apparently other countries have figured out a way. (Listed from least generous to most generous.) Cite

United States:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 12 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: No national program but cash benefits may be provided at the state level.

Iceland:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 3 months for the mother, 3 months for the father, and 3 months that can be taken by either parent (total of 9 months)
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 80 (up to ISK350,000 per month)

Germany:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 14 Months
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 65

Japan:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 14 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 67

Malta:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 14 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

New Zealand:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 14 Weeks Paid, 38 Weeks Unpaid
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Switzerland:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 14 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 80

Belgium:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 15 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 82 per cent for the first 30 days and 75 per cent for the remaining period.

Finland:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 105 Days
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 70

Slovenia:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 105 Days
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Austria:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 16 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

France:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 16 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Latvia:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 112 Days
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Luxembourg:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 16 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Netherlands:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 16 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Spain:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 16 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Greece:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 119 Days
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 50

Australia:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 18 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: Each parent can take up to 12 months of leave, of which 18 weeks are paid.

Lithuania:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 126 Days
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Belarus:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 126 Days
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Moldova:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 126 Days
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Ukraine:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 126 Days
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Romania:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 126 Days
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 85

Portugal:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 120 to 150 Days
Percentage Of Wages Paid: Parental benefits paid at 100 per cent for the shorter duration of leave and 80 per cent for the longer option.

Estonia:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 140 Days
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Poland:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 20 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Russia:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 140 Days
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Italy:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 5 Months
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 80, however, there an additional option for six month leave with 30 per cent of your salary

Bulgaria:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 410 Days
Percentage Of Wages Paid:90. Parents can also take an additional year of paid parental leave at minimum wage.

Hungary:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 24 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 70

Ireland:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 26 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 80

Czech Republic:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 28 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 60

Slovakia:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 28 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 55

Macedonia:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 9 Months
Percentage Of Wages Paid: Not found.

Norway:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 36 to 46 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: Parental benefits paid at 100 per cent for the shorter duration of leave and 80 per cent for the longer option.

Albania:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 365 Days
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 80 per cent prior to birth and for 150 days after and 50 per cent for the rest of the leave period.

Bosnia And Herzegovina:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 1 Year
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 82 per cent for the first 30 days and 75 per cent for the remaining period.

Canada:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 52 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 55 per cent at 17 weeks for maternity leave, and the additional 35 weeks can be taken by either parent. Wages also depend on province.

Croatia:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 1 Year
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Denmark:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 52 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

Serbia:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 52 Weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 100

United Kingdom:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 52 weeks; however, pay is only for 39 weeks
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 90 of average weekly earnings for first 6 weeks; £139.58 or 90 per cent of average weekly earnings (whichever is lower) for next 33 weeks

Sweden:

Length Of Maternity Leave: 420 Days
Percentage Of Wages Paid: 80

[k9bfriender]

@ThelmaLou

Apparently other countries have figured out a way. (Listed from least generous to most generous.) Cite

And how many of those countries require the employer to pay for the entirety of the leave out of pocket?

That was my point, Buck Godot seemed to be implying that the reason for Ryan’s plan was to save the employers money. I disagree with Ryan’s plan because I think it should come out of the general tax fund, not out of your SS account, but in either case, the employer shouldn’t have to be the (only) one footing the bill.

[Kobal2]

@Buck_Godot

The important thing is that no corporate profits are put at risk. Let’s keep things in perspective here.

Well obviously. I mean family leave is either on the company’s dime or paid with corporate taxes in every sane country out there, but y’all just can’t be having with that nonsense

[The_Tooth]

So now the Nazi-loving Russian asset Republicans call their leader wants to have a military parade in the style of Hitler or Mussolini. The inspiration for this is alleged to be Bastille Day. I wonder if the man who lives in a gold-plated apartment knows what Bastille Day was about.

[Gorsnak]

@k9bfriender

And how many of those countries require the employer to pay for the entirety of the leave out of pocket?

In Canada’s case, the money comes from the unemployment insurance system. Works fine.

[Chimera]

He’s been pushing for a military parade since he took office.

I don’t doubt that he’s also pushing for them to carry Trump signs.

[The_Tooth]

He wanted one, sure, but now he’s told the Pentagon to start planning it. Money well spent, I’m sure.

[Ludovic]

@smithsb

I see an expansion coming to this idea. You take your regular vacation leave and the the pay from that comes out of your SS account. See, the Republicans aren’t going to kill Social Security; that would be political suicide. They’ll just use it in lieu of vacation pay, family leave, sick leave, etc…

I’m not sure if the idea is even stupid, let alone stupid enough to belong in this thread. I’ve myself thought of something similar except applying to unemployment benefits rather than pregnancy leave, with the caveat that the old unemployment insurance contribution would go into the SS fund and be counted as increasing your effective social security income by an equivalent amount relative to your social security contribution. Of course, if this were proposed by the Republicans it would, as you are implying, probably not include that money-neutral caveat but would instead be a backdoor way to reduce total benefits. But if implemented properly, it would be better than the pittance that most unemployment insurance offers, and if you’re not working for a year or so then I don’t see why you shouldn’t postpone your retirement for a year or so or get less in benefits (and if you physically cannot work SS has a disability portion as well).

I think this parenthood leave idea would be better than the mandatory unpaid leave now implemented because many families can’t afford to lose that income. Even if “that’s not how social security works” currently. It would, however, be worse than those paid leaves that exist in some workplaces, and they would not feel the pressure to retain these because the post-birth families can always “dip into” their SS and thus not feel the pain right away. Perhaps an even better solution would be to make a couple weeks of the leave fully paid mandatorily and the rest paid out of virtual social security payouts.

[eschereal]

@The_Tooth

He wanted one, sure, but now he’s told the Pentagon to start planning it.

Well, that is depressing.

@"[Denver Post

(Donald Trump military parade: President has told Pentagon to plan one)"]The inspiration for (OFSG)'s push is last year’s Bastille Day celebration in Paris, which the president attended as a guest of French President Emmanuel Macron.… awestruck by the tableau of uniformed French troops marching down Avenue des Champs-Elysees with military tanks, armored vehicles, gun trucks and carriers – complete with F-16 fighter jets flying over the Arc de Triomphe and painting the sky with streaks of blue, white and red smoke for the colors of the French flag.

Aboard Air Force One en route home from Paris last July, aides said Trump told them he was dazzled by the French display and said he wanted one at home.

@The Tooth

Money well spent, I’m sure.

Most certainly.

The cost of shipping Abrams tanks and high-tech hardware to Washington could run in the millions, and military officials said it was unclear how they would pay for it.

But better yet, they are also planning irony, as you might expect.

A date has not been selected, although … officials had discussed Memorial Day on May 28, and July 4, but the Pentagon prefers Veterans Day on Nov. 11 – in part because it would coincide with 100th anniversary of the victorious end of World War I and therefore be less associated with the president and politics.

… On Armistice Day
That’s all I really wanted to say …

[The_Tooth]

November 11th is going to be a display of military dink-swinging? That’s sort of gross.

[Rick_Kitchen]

Hannity blames the stock market drop yesterday on Obama.

Sean Hannity blames Obama for historic market crash

[The_Stainless_Steel_Rat]

@Rick_Kitchen

Hannity blames the stock market drop yesterday on Obama.
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/02/05/sean-hannity-blames-obama-historic-market-crash/219279

Already mentioned above (and/or in the Trump thread), but do you think Hannity will give Obama credit for the 547(?) point upswing today? Nah, it’ll be something Trump did (it’ll come to me in a minute…)

[running_coach]

@The_Stainless_Steel_Rat

Already mentioned above (and/or in the Trump thread), but do you think Hannity will give Obama credit for the 547(?) point upswing today? Nah, it’ll be something Trump did (it’ll come to me in a minute…)

He did a boom-boom in his gold-plated potty chair.

[Kobal2]

@The_Tooth

So now the Nazi-loving Russian asset Republicans call their leader wants to have a military parade in the style of Hitler or Mussolini. The inspiration for this is alleged to be Bastille Day. I wonder if the man who lives in a gold-plated apartment knows what Bastille Day was about.

Hell, 95% of the French don’t know it either. Spoiler : it ain’t about the fukken Bastille. It’s a commemoration of July 14 1790, not 89. 89 was when we tore each other apart, 90 was when the country felt united again, monarchy and church included.

Then we tore each other apart again :o. So maybe Trump’s got something there, after all.

[Kobal2]

(FWIW, I for one can’t stand the military parade on actual bastille day, either. It always feels extremely tinpot-y, which isn’t surprising when you know when the parade was instigated. Vous n’aurez paaaaas l’Alsace et la Lorrain-euh…)

[jasg]

@The_Tooth

So now the Nazi-loving Russian asset Republicans call their leader wants to have a military parade in the style of Hitler or Mussolini. The inspiration for this is alleged to be Bastille Day. I wonder if the man who lives in a gold-plated apartment knows what Bastille Day was about.

Let’s lobby Congress to name it “The National March for Bone Spurs”.

[running_coach]

@jasg

Let’s lobby Congress to name it “The National March for Bone Spurs”.

How will you fit all that military hardware into a one block route?

[The_Tooth]

@jasg

Let’s lobby Congress to name it “The National March for Bone Spurs”.

Trump’s Folly.

[foolsguinea]

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