Suicide Squad - "Seen It" Open Spoilers Thread

I liked it. It was a little choppy (you can tell it was edited by multiple people with different stories to tell) but I enjoyed it. Will Smith was good and his character was interesting enough to warrant a spin off movie I think. I liked El Diablo. The idea of a pacifist who felt guilty for all the things he did was interesting.

The Joker was a poor man’s Heath Ledger but he wasn’t terrible. He was hardly in the movie anyway.

The scene where Waller straight up killed the people working for her was cold. She always straddled a line in the comics and cartoons but never really crossed it. That seemed to cross it.
It wasn’t a perfect movie but it was interesting, exciting and felt different.

But I liked BvS so don’t listen to me :slight_smile:

As a big fan of the the comic book version of the Suicide Squad back in the 80s, I really wanted to like this. I usually don’t go see movies with ratings that low on Rotten Tomatoes, but I was in town with time to kill and caught a matinee.

There were good bits, a lot of which were in the trailer, but there were too many misses. The movie’s poorly edited enough that it’s hard to follow, and the sound mix that often has dialogue buried under the music didn’t help. The plot was a mess, and really not suited to the Suicide Squad, who are really not equipped to handle cosmic threats. Enchantress is fine as an unreliable teammate, but is boring as a villain. More than anything, her plan reminded me of the final scene of the original Ghostbusters. I almost expected Enchantress to tell Colonel Flag,“There is no June Moone, only Zuul!” The movie also had too many characters to really develop any of them, and giving huge chunks of screen time to the Joker’s shenanigans didn’t help either.

It’s a shame, because a good movie could have been made around these characters and the concept. Suicide Squad could have worked around a framework similar to that of Ocean’s Eleven or The Dirty Dozen. The Suicide Squad was never really meant to be a frontline fighting force against world-threatening metahuman threats. As mentioned upthread, they don’t have a lot of superpowers. They were always meant to do the the dirty jobs under plausible deniability while the government kept its hands clean.

Going from the comics, the movie version borrows characters from:

The 80’s version: Deadshot, Enchantress, Captain Boomerang, Col. Flagg, and Amanda Waller were there in the team’s very first appearance. Flagg was actually a holdover from the short-lived early 60s Suicide Squad,which was about a team of normal humans fighting giant monsters and the like. Slipknot was also an early member, but served the same purpose as in the movie, being the mook who immediately ran off and got blown up on a mission.

The 10’s version: Harley Quinn and El Diablo were from this version.

Katana is not from any version, but the Suicide Squad has almost always had non-villain characters who hook up with Waller willingly for something she offers them.

King Croc has never been in the squad as far as I know. King Shark would the closest analogy.

King Shark is actually who Killer Croc was intended to be. But Ayers determined that it would require more CGI than he was comfortable with, so they filled the role with Croc instead.

Yeah honestly I think as cool as King Shark is in the comic and he worked pretty well on The Flash, I think he would have looked silly on screen here and replacing him with Croc was a good call.

Yes, and how does he, *with thugs *take over a government chopper and especially break into a super-duper secret and secure government installation?

It’s interesting how people’s reactions seem to be split between “Joker was barely in the movie” and “Joker was in the movie far too much”.

I’m in the second camp, thinking that they could have cut the club scene, Joker in the Ring o’ Knives (and baby clothes) and probably the chemical vats scene without hurting the movie. Those scenes seemed more concerned about setting up Joker for future films than advancing the plot and the movie definitely needed some tightening up.

Deadshot’s abilities.

It would seem that such a person would need an ability to guide the projectile somewhat, after firing. Every projectile weapon has inconsistent accuracy. Between weapons of the same model and even between shots of the same weapon.

To have such a character exist, without imbuing them with perfect instant knowledge of all aspects of a complex, variable, device they have never used or even maybe seen till then, it is just as believable, if not more so to give them an innate power to guide the projectile after firing. They are an excellent shot. But they also have that extra ability to nudge things.

Those needn’t be considered mutually exclusive of one another.

From the perspective of a non-shooter it seems plausible that a great shot could pick up any weapon and score a hit on a target. People who don’t shoot don’t understand that each weapon needs to be zeroed to the user. It is possible to get an incredibly tight grouping and be completely off the target. You can try to explain it by saying his eye thingy is what he is using to aim and not the sight or optics on the gun. Fine, I’ll take your word for it but most of the time in the movie he isn’t wearing it.

Things I would have liked to see:

  1. More portraying Harley as a Stockholm syndrome sort. Just show The Joker winner her over/torturing her in flashback. Make it a bit tragic. The he breaks her out in the end and she goes with him happily. Give the girl some character.

  2. June Moone not magically being alive. Make Flagg hurt and go through some character development.

  3. Flagg again. He’s bonded with the SS. He’s fought alongside them. At the end he should have shot and killed Waller. She sure as shit earned it. The rest of the SS could have been, “Cold, man. But cool.”

Seriously, give it some gravitas. Some sense of weight without all the nonsense about being ‘gritty’. Give it some emotional heft and not palette heft. One engages the audience, the other just engages the eyes without having any meaning.

Also, is it me or is there no character development in this movie at all? All the characters are exactly the same going out and when they first appeared. No one gets to go through any life changes or learning.

All good, except I see no reason for the Joker breakout of HQ at the end.

This was filmed. Joker was shown at times to be violent with her. It didn’t make it to the screen for whatever reasons. Too weighty for the studio-mandated ‘fun’ edit, I guess.

It was in the edit I just saw. During the flashback of Joker escaping Arkham, you see Harley strapped to a gurney, and Joker does his, “I’m not going to kill you, I’m just going to hurt you a lot,” line from the commercials before he starts giving her electroshock treatment.

Anyway, I was surprised by how much this didn’t suck. It’s not a good movie, by any stretch, but it’s miles better than BvS, and the ways its awful aren’t nearly as aggravating. It’s biggest problem is that half the cast doesn’t need to be there. They could have cut Killer Croc, Katana, and Captain Boomerang entirely, and not changed the plot one bit.

You could tell that they cut a major action scene for Croc, at least - the part where he goes underwater with the SEALs to find the explosive Flagg left behind is clearly setting him up for something cool, but then we only get two quick flashes of him fighting some dudes underwater. Pretty obvious there’s a missing action set piece there that ended up on the editing room floor. They should have left the rest of the character there, too.

Diablo’s “I’m not losing a second family!” line was painful. How are any of these people his “family?” He’s known them for, what, maybe four hours? And the only interaction he’s had with any of them is them making fun of him for not setting things on fire, and Harley Quinn berating him for being ashamed of incinerating his own children. Why does he give a shit about any of these people? And then he turns into a giant fire skeleton. Sure. Okay. Why not? And did I blink, or did they actually not show him turn into the the skeleton? He’s like, “I’ll fight him,” they cut to a different camera angle, and now he’s a big CGI monster? Really weird, because the scene of June Moone turning into the Enchantress in front of the military guys was so cool. Also, his wife being totally surprised that her husband, who has tattooed his face to look like a skull, is a gangster. Jesus, lady, what did you think he was? An actuary?

Captain Boomerang should not have been seen again in the movie after he bolted from the bar. That scene alone would have justified his entire presence in the movie. Also, fifty bucks says that the pink unicorn stuff was added as a direct result of the similar scene in Deadpool. And speaking of that, there’s the bit where he gets stabbed in the chest, but he’s okay, because the knife stuck… a stack of hundred dollar bills? Where the hell did that come from, and what happened to the plushie unicorn they’d gone to considerable lengths to establish he kept in that exact spot in his coat?

Slipknot was never going to live to act two, but they maybe could have telegraphed it a little less?

Katana served absolutely no purpose in the movie. No reason for her to be there at all, and she’s a complete non-entity as a character.

Deadshot was good, though it felt a bit like they held back on making him too dark, because it’s Will Smith. Less jokey, more assholey, but over all I enjoyed him.

Harley Quinn was great. Margo Robbie nailed the character. I liked that they worked in a shot of her in her original costume, too.

The Joker was just terrible. The biggest problem with this film is that the entire franchise is now locked into this version of the Joker. I didn’t buy him and Harley together at all. I just don’t see the attraction there - not because of the psychopath stuff, but mostly because it looks like kissing that guy would be like kissing an oil slick. Too greasy, too tattooed, and not nearly manic enough. He does have an amazing sociopathic stare thing going, though. There’s a couple shots where he’s hugging Harley, and the expression on his face is very, “Measuring her for a skin suit.” Jared Leto was horrible as the Joker, but I think he could make a pretty convincing Victor Szasz.

Amanda Waller was so close to being well done. She’s tripped up by two things: the overall plot, and the scene where she guns down her underlings. By making the Enchantress as the big bad, it makes Waller look just incredibly incompetent. She puts together the squad, over multiple objections that it’s way too dangerous, and almost instantly one of her pet super villains breaks out of her control and nearly destroys the entire world. The scene where she suddenly goes murdery was, I think, the single most Zach Snyder moment in the movie, because I don’t think the film intended the audience to see Waller as a psychopath there. I think we were supposed to see that as an example of Waller being a hardass who does the difficult jobs that nobody else has the balls to undertake. Which is her usual characterization. But, this is the DC Murderverse. Normal human morals don’t apply here, so callously murdering five people who work for you, to cover up the fact that you almost accidentally destroyed the planet, is just being “tough.” Or maybe I’m reading it wrong, and she’s supposed to read as an actual villain, and not just an antagonist. Not sure if I’m any happier with that explanation, though. Oh, yeah, and it turns out she has the file full of data on people with genuine superpowers who aren’t convicted murderers, that she decided not to use on her government Super Squad. Because, clearly, “guy with a grappling hook,” is a better pick over, “Can run at nearly the speed of light,” or “Warrior demigod.”

Rick Flagg is so boring I kept forgetting he was in the movie when he wasn’t on screen. Which, to be fair, is accurate to his portrayal in the comics. The most notable thing about Rick Flagg is that he doesn’t know how flags work. There’s a good fifteen minutes in the film where he wears that hat. It’s kind of hilarious.

Enchantress had a surprising amount of characterization, for someone who didn’t need to be more than a big sfx generator. More depth than you see in a lot of Marvel movie villains. (coughMalekithcough) I wish she’d actually spent some time on the team before going rogue, though. Using her as the big bad was a mistake anyway, because the squad isn’t supposed to be, “How do we stop a rogue Superman?” it’s supposed to be, “How do we do the things Superman isn’t willing to do?”

Anyway, I give it a 6/10.

I’m desperately hoping that Suicide Squad II features a guy whose super power is owning a ladder.

Did anybody else say, after the line “Welcome to the Spanish Inquisition” …
*
…“I didn’t expect that?”*

But there were also filmed scenes of him being actually physically abusive. Slapping her around for defying him in some way. Could’ve added character depth or been totally cringeworthy. I could see why it didn’t make it to screen.

Do note that this is a different Harley Quinn from the one in the Animated Series. This one is based on the New 52 version, who was much more active in choosing to become a villain. This was praised as avoiding certain tropes often deemed sexist.

Though, from descriptions, it sounds like they may have kinda mixed the two. (I haven’t seen the movie and probably won’t. Just bringing in comic knowledge.)

Yep and I was going ??? too.

It would have been a great scene if they had done it to a character we had invested a little in.

Will Smith and HQ saved this film.

Yeah, i didnt buy murdery AW and why the fuck are they gonna trust her again> She lost them a fucking* aircraft carrier. *

Saw it this weekend. I mostly thought that a good movie was there, but the movie itself missed out on bringing it out.

My biggest problem in the movie was actually Harley. Her in-and-out accent drove me nuts, and whoever said she doesn’t act crazy, but is acting like a girl acting like she is crazy is spot-on. She had virtually no point in the movie other than (failed) comic relief. I understand that she was the one who ended up killing Enchantress, but she failed in all other aspects.

The editing of this movie was godawful. I don’t even notice editing, and you could tell that the comedy scenes were literally added in the middle of an already created scene.

Col. America was the worst-acted thing in this movie. Was it in the script that he permanently has to have dip in his mouth? Or was there a failed Botox session? Guy could not pronounce shit and was basically Boomhaur in his mumbling. And what about his line of “did you get to the part where I was sleeping with her”. Sleeping with her? SLEEPING WITH HER? Homie you were in love with her, why would you bring it down to just “sleeping with her” like she was some fuck-buddy you had. Hell 99% of the movie was because of how in love with her you were.

I’d give it a 5/10.