GREGORY SMITH (“EVERWOOD”) DIRECTS THE EPISODE - Clark shares some of his Kryptonian history with Jordan and Jonathan during a family breakfast. Meanwhile, Lois and Chrissy (guest star Sofia Hasmik) dig deeper to uncover the truth about Morgan Edge.
I don’t normally sign on to new shows I have to stream, but I’ve long been a fan of the Clark Kent + Lois storylines (where the emphasis is on the couple at least as much as Superman the Hero), I’ve enjoyed other CW DC shows, and this looked like it was taking a chance on.
I’ve been happy with the first two episodes and I’m enjoying the interplay between characters, along with the mandatory super-exploits. They seem to be striking a nice balance there. I do find the twins’ actors just a bit stiff, but I think with time they’ll fill out the roles just fine.
One reason I like the stories where’s there more emphasis on the Clark side of Superman is because he is NOT overpowered when it comes to relating to other people. It’s from a story-telling viewpoint it’s much more interesting to see someone struggling to be a good father or good husband than lifting giant rocks or punching bad guys (although the lifting and punching thing can be cathartic). And the Kents not only have the normal family stuff to deal with, but dad’s a superhero on call 24/7 and the kids have to deal with that and possibly developing powers themselves.
I’ve always loved the stories where he’s clearly UNDERpowered when it comes to relating to Earth people.
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I’m watching the show with my boyfriend, who’s a twin, and he likes this aspect. It’s true for him and his identical brother. There was also a scene in WandaVision where the twins talked about how one is cool and the other a weirdo. He liked that too.
The Pingtang Bridge, in Guizhou, China opened in December 2019.
The opening scene with the bridge was absolutely stupendous. The later fight in the motel against the unexpected metahuman was equally stupendous. Great mixing up of the very large Superman feat and the relatively small. I take it that the meta wasn’t a Kryptonian since he got fried by the heat vision of yet another meta at the end. Which raises the question of why he didn’t get fried by Superman’s heat vision in the first place.
In a show involving teenagers, it’s inevitable that we get plotlines about teenage angst. I’ll give the writers credit that they don’t seem to dragging out said angst and actually advancing their storyline. I like the rapport between the twin brothers. Jonathan, especially, is quite supportive of his brother’s change of lifestyle.
I rewatched the scene in question and Superman never used heat vision, just cold breath. Nevermind!
I actually rewatched episode three.
Yes, I can be pathetic.
There are some nice and subtle touches I saw the second time around.
First, the bit with with painting the home. Lois far, far too serious about it to begin. The “paint-fight” that broke out and the silliness, parents playing with their kids. It was a happy, family moment… and of course it gets interrupted by someone needing saving. And Lois goes back to fooling around with the boys because, after all, Clark dashing off to save the world is perfectly normal in her world. She’s learned not to stop everything because of it. At least she and Clark no longer have to come up with excuses in their own home, that has to be a relief to both of them.
The bridge save was, of course, classic Superman. On second viewing I noted that even before he lifts the big broken span he’s catching vehicles as they fall. At the end it turns out he’s got blue paint on his right hand - a bit of family life leaving a trace on the Superhero. It was a nice touch.
The bit where Clark is sort of listening to the whole world and smiling at the pleasant, happy bits was a very nice touch. Being Superman isn’t all bad. As much as he is aware of the bad parts of the world he is also tuned into good things, too. I really, really liked that bit. We don’t often see Supes happy, or see the pleasure rather than the duty his powers bring him.
I liked the boys asking about dad’s powers. Clearly, this is most relevant to Jordan, but it’s more evidence of the boys accepting their dad’s secret. Both boys have snark - “crazy-ass laser eyes”, “don’t feed him after midnight”, and Jonathan comparing Jordan to an indestructible car with death beams for headlights… inappropriate and insulting as only a teen can produce, but funny in a dark way. They’re using humor to deal with their discomfort. It’s a lot better than using dialogue to express this.
I didn’t catch it the first time, but when Jordan is being bullied by Sean and his friends in the school hallway there’s a moment his eyes start to flash red. This is clearly what really causes Jonathan to intervene physically. But then it fades - is that due to “inadequate” power or because Jordan knows not to use his super powers against a mundane person, and has the will to enforce that, even when faced with physical danger?
The bit with Sarah reading the riot act to her mom with the Kent brothers across the booth from her is great. The two boys are clearly getting more and more uncomfortable being there, but can’t run away, either. They don’t say a word but they really communicate the sheer discomfort and “I don’t want to be here” anyone would probably feel. In the background other people in the diner turn around and start staring, too. If this show survives and develops it will be because there is so much “show” and less reliance on dialogue than many other shows.
Oh, yes - Superman expressing his frustration by crumpling up heavy metal objects and tossing them away. Because even Supes gets angry sometimes and needs to burn off steam. He doesn’t say anything about this, but the viewer gets it, and Lois gets it.
I think on a certain level Clark is just a little too blasé about his wife’s car being firebombed. I realize that Lois has always been headstrong and diving into danger, but she’s not fireproof the way her husband is. I think it’s also pretty clear that even if Clark is not eavesdropping on her he very much is listening in her direction just in case she needs help.
I think Jonathan’s speech to Clark about why Jordan should be allowed to play football was a bit more adult than I would expect from a 14 year old, on the other hand, being able to express his thoughts in such a manner would be an indication of him growing up, and is an extension of him watching out for his brother. And someone had to make the valid points that Jordan’s “powers” in regards to physical strength weren’t that outside the bounds of humanly possible and would allow him to compete with larger kids. Which made me consider that in quite a few scenes Hoechlin’s Superman is not the tallest or brawniest character in the room. It’s a bit of a subversion of the exaggerated physique of the cartoons and some live action shows. It works, though, because Kal-El’s strength is not at all dependent on his size or muscle development, it’s because of his magical, physics-defying superpowers based on yellow sun radiation. Anyhow, I kind of like the brothers being on the football team together, but in different positions. I would really hate both of them to be quarterbacks, that would be too hokey.
What I would like to see:
More between Lois and Jonathan about being the under-powered person in a relationship, and how both she and Clark had to learn to deal with that.
A bit more about the fact Clark is an alien. It doesn’t have to be crazy overt, but an occasional reference to it, preferably in a humorous manner and not just like Jordan’s early angry outburst in the pilot, would be a nice touch. An occasional mention that his sensory experience of the world is completely different than a human’s - he sees and hears much, much more than humans ever do.
In the far distance: Jordan’s powers manifesting or being used again. They may be something he can access only under extreme emotional stress. Or maybe not (enhanced strength might be something he always has now).
Visit from Cousin Kara. Maybe other superheros, but I’d definitely like to see at least Kara at some point.
I’d like Jonathan to get something in the way of powers. A different set than Jordan, preferably, and just a difficult to manifest/minimal. Could be something as simple as, say, both Clark and Jonathan hearing a dog whistle or something else outside the range of human hearing when no one else around them does. not earth-shaking, but still a difference indicating that Jonathan is half Kryptonian, too.
And note that is all more about the family than whatever super villains they might encounter.
I’m probably trying to find something when there’s nothing there, but I’m wondering if there’s a connection between ‘Jordan being the only one to touch the crystal that came out of the pod/ship’ and ‘Jordan being the twin that manifests some semblance of powers.’ But didn’t the pipes fall on them before the boys found the pod/ship? If so, and I think it is so, there goes my obsessing-fan theory.
Haven’t seen Episode 3 yet, but I’m enjoying this show, not least for the different slant it’s taking on the Superman mythos.
The show will go on hiatus in a couple of episodes, to be replaced in its timeslot by Supergirl. I am hoping that the show will incorporate a scene that passes the reins from Clark to Kara.
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Hey, guys, there’s some really interesting discussion going on about the nature of good superhero stories. However, it’s not really pertinent to the discussion of the show Superman and Lois, especially now that it’s moving on to discussing other superheroes like Daredevil and Spider-Man. I’ve asked a mod if he could split off the discussion into another thread.
In the Flashpoint Paradox animated movie, Kal-El was taken as a child by the military and kept away from the sun for the majority of his life. He is an emaciated and abused man. Once he is finally rescued and brought outside, he regains his powers despite his gaunt frame.
Sorry about that. No reason to split it for me, I’m ok with letting the hijack die here.
The pipes fell on the twins before they found the spaceship.
And Jordan was the only one who tried to touch the spaceship, Jonathan was hanging back and telling his brother not to do it. I suspect it would have responded to Jonathan if he had touched it.
Modhat: Moved the Superman comic discussion off to its own thread at the Op’s request. Please enjoy but please keep this thread to the TV show.
In the last episode, when Lois stood up to fire a question to Morgan Edge, the twins were in the background, slightly out of focus, but you could catch their facepalm if you were looking. Great bit of visual storytelling.
I am liking it, good, but not great- too much teen angst.
I’m hoping that eventually Supes and Cap’n Luthor will each realize the other is not a villain. Maybe one of the surviving parallel Earths is similar enough to Cap’n Luthor’s maybe-destroyed world to be a reasonable facsimile of home. I will be disappointed if they have cast a black actor to be just another run-of-the-mill alien-hating Luthor. I want him to have more depth than that. Perhaps they will team up to deal with what appears to be Morgan Edge’s wannabe Kryptonian minions.
While I agree that slugfests can be boring,I did like the fight in the latest episode. When Supes showed up I was thinking “oooh, that kidnapper is in trouble” but then it is “He is powered, is he another Kryptonian, a Meta, a robot, or what? How strong is he, does he have other powers?)”
Then later when the kidnapper is destroyed by a 2020’s style death ray that was a bit of a shock.
(killed for failing? destroying evidence?)
I had the sense it was “killed for failing to kill the target” more than anything else.