Survivor 11/20

I’m sad that Rupert’s gone - and yeah he over-reacted at being voted out, but he ALWAYS over-reacts! I’m sure after he had a shower and a good night’s sleep, he was fine. And he did go home with money - I forget the formula, but the first-one-voted-out is $2,500 and the last-one-not-the-winner gets $100,000. So that should help a lot.

But I have to admit. Burton looked really nice - all dark and scruffy wearing the cutlass. :smiley: He’s purty!

You must be thinking of Heidi and Jenna a few months ago in Playboy.:smiley:

This season is really, really, good. The only thing that would’ve made it better is if Jon and Lil had fallen off the deep sea fishing boat and been gobbled up by a shark. Slowly.

What I like about Survivor is that it’s just like life. The best guy doesn’t always win. Sometimes it’s dumb luck.

Rupert had to go, and he should’ve been smart enough to figure it out. He knew Lil was the key, and he didn’t press her hard enough. Let’s see if Burton can step up to the challenge and catch some friggin’ fish. He was phenomenal at the dart game-- why can’t he use that skill to spear some food???

My prediction is that Burton keeps Lil on his side and those two plus Jon will go all the way unless Jon tries to switch sides and team up with the other girls.

Christa/Sandra should be working to flip T and Darrah and offer them each a chance at the Final Three (at least) – It should be clear to the latter that Burton/Lil/Jon are locked into final 3-dom with each other.

But the previews

seem to indicate Christa/Sandra go on some apesh^t camp destroying tear instead of trying to win the other non-Lil Girls over

If I were Jon/Burton I would offer the T or Darrah a (possibly false) offer for final 3 to prevent this — this is the last week that that triumvate can be outvoted – tho presumably it can still be tied later …

All-star spoiler

We will know this week if it is true that Rupe is on the All-star version if he doesn’t appear on the Early Show & Letterman

The Early Show

Rupert wasn’t there. They said he was unavailable to do any press at this time. He’s rumored to be in All-stars. It’ll be nice to get to see him play again.

For those who think that Rupert screwed up by targeting Darrah instead of Burton, remember that Rupert thought he and Burton had an alliance.

Of course Rupert screwed up – he got voted out.

I love Rupert, I was a big fan, and he played a pretty smart game, but not smart enough, and that’s because he was too gracious to his biggest threat. If Burton had completely blindsided him, it’d seem like less of an error, but Rupert himself said after the reward challenge that he was going to take Burton down. He had an opportunity to at the very least ensure that Burton didn’t win immunity, but didn’t take the opportunity, ensuring that Darrah didn’t win it instead. (When really, had Darrah managed to win immunity, he could’ve targeted Tijuana.)

At the very least, once Burton broke the gentleman’s agreement to swap rewards, Rupert should’ve really rethunk the quality of his alliance with the guy.

Goodbye Rupert you big cry baby! Guess it’s no longer YOUR island buddy.

Departing next on the the train to the loser’s lounge:
Christa the idiot followed by Sandra the bitchy. Last stop (I hope) Burton the luscious.

And a big ole high five to Darrah for pulling off the part of the one suppose to be leaving. Good acting…even if I can never understand what she says.

I like this season. I’ve enjoyed the shake ups in the format of the show (the outcast coming back) because it makes the show new and fresh and not like most American primetime network sitcoms (read FRIENDS here.)

I’m assuming this is a Dianne-Wiest-in-Bullets-Over-Broadway-type “Don’t Speak” love. Written pasteboard subtitles cramp one’s style so…

C’mon people, I’m from northern New England and I can understand Darrah with no problems.

Reviewing yeaterday’s episode with my other discussion group (my fellow fans at work) we couln’t come up with any credible idea on Sandra’s vote. The best theory was that Sandra and Crista succeeded in forming an alliance earlier with Tijuana and Darrah and these four are now playing Burton, Jon, and Lill. So Sandra wanted to get rid of Rupert but didn’t want to lose his potential vote by voting directly against him. So by “foolishly” giving Jon a vote she avoided the potential problem of a tie if Lill had voted with Rupert. Another possibility is that Sandra may have made a promise to Rupert not to ever vote for him. Her vote in this episode therefore got rid of Rupert while technically allowing her to keep her promise. Kind of a Vecepia type action.

i wonder if she had meant to hit rupert or was it truly accidental.

I’m a yankee too, and I can understand her just fine.

Could be. I’m having trouble with this too, 'cause something doesn’t seem to add up. I said last week that I thought the girls had an alliance because Tijuana and Darrah voted against Ryan. But this week, Christa voted against Darrah, and Sandra made that bizzarely inexplicable vote…so either someone (or several someones) is playing a really deep game, or someone (or several someones) is an idiot.

And on that subject: some folks here are speculating that Sandra voted for Jon to give him a disadvantage in possible future tie-breakers. Seems to me that there is no reason to think that previous votes will matter at all. That was the method they used in the first two seasons (IIRC), but they’ve used different ways since.

If any of this turns out to be the result of a coherent strategy, those women (except Lil) are pretty good actors.

Anyway, I’m sorry to see Rupert go, but it was inevitable, I think. He was too obviously dominant. It would have been stupid to NOT vote him out at the earliest possible post-merge opportunity.

And yeah, I found his exit speech painfully embarrassing. Come on, man! Though I guess he couldn’t know at that point how popular he was with the fans. But if he plays his cards right, he’ll end up a millionaire yet, with endorsements and so on.

The CBS Survivor website says that next week Christa is accused of sabotaging the tribe’s food supply, Jon gets bad news from home and two tribe members declare each other sworn enemies after one of the biggest fights in Survivor history.

I don’t think Sandra meant to hit Rupert’s part of the dartboard, she was just a lousy dart blower.

Rupert’s exit speech was simply a moment of extreme honesty, candor and vulnerability. He’d mentioned earlier when Burton rejoined the tribe that he was picked on as a fat kid, so I guess he thought this was the same kind of rejection. And he had absolutely no way of knowing that once the show aired, he’d become some Paul Bunyon type folk hero. I’m glad he got to see how popular he was before leaving for the All Star Survivor.

I don’t think The Big Lie is that Jon is a nice guy after all because Jeff Probst has said in interviews that involves something that someone does that they regret terribly. I wonder how late in the show it happens? Final four? And will it live up to the hype? After so much speculation, anything short of the most mind-blowing plot twist since Jaye Davidson’s penis in The Crying Game will be a disappointment.

How quickly people turn on Rupert. Guess we all love a winner… until they start losing.

It looks like the women are teaming up to slowly vote out all the men. What last season’s battle of the sexes was supposed to be.

I’m probably going to start heavily fast forwarding through the rest of the season unless Mark Burnett pulls another “twist” and gives Rupert a free pass back via a heavily rigged Outkasts Part Deux.

Also, the way Survivor works, the next series will field a bunch of strong competitors and an under-the-radar (Vecepia) undeserving (Jenna) coattail-rider (Tina) will end up winning it.

As soon as I saw the dart board, I knew Rup was in trouble- his stuff was at the bottom. Poorly blown darts will fall towards te bottom of the board, as we saw. You’ll notice that the girls were all up around the top, and harder to hit for novice dart blowers.

And yeah, back t back weeks of “y’all specifically pick who you want to have immunity” is utter bullshit.

Although I like Rupert, I’m glad he’s gone. It shows at least a modicum of forsight on the part of the other players.

However, I’m curious what y’all think of this pattern and how it may play into the finale.

[spoilers]Every year so far has alternated the gender of the winner. Odd numbered years feature a male winner, even numbered a female. After last year’s fiasco, we’re due for a male winner, which would likely be Burton. Now, I know what the spoiler sites are saying about the final two, but I can’t see- in a year that has already featured so many upheavals (and not all well-received) in the pattern of play- Burnett messing with the game that much. Are we being duped by the spoiler sites?[/spoilers]

That all depends on how you define ‘strength’ fatmac. Simply put, the weak perish so the strong survive. If Rupert was the strong one, he would still be on the show. But he’s not. By himself he was a strong individual, but against a majority he had no control over, he lost. If he was the ‘strong’ one he’d still be in the game because he’d have immunity. It was obvious after the first few rounds that Burton was the only other person who could hit the dart board worth a pile of beans. Rupert should have put him out of commission right off the bat and then taken everyone else out at his leisure.
I was also very unimpressed with Rupert’s exit speech. So he lost. Quick, someone call this guy a WAAAAAAAAHmbulance. That’s part of the game, if you can’t stand losing either win the thing or don’t play.

I think the major thing people watching and people playing forget, in a game like Survivor, things like alliances and promises only benefit you if it gets you closer to the million dollar prize. If I were a person on that island, I’d be looking to make another secret alliance and kicking off Burton. The alliance of five served its purpose, Rupert is gone, his two ladies are pretty much up the creek, it’s time to reposition yourself so when there’s only five you’re not the next person holding ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag.

I’m also interested in next week’s show about the sabotage and Jon’s tragedy.

As for the comments that people will gag if Darrah wins because she doesn’t deserve it, IMHO she’s in one of the best positions to win out of everyone on the island. NO ONE has paid any attention to her, and as we’ve seen from Rupert’s exit, this is a good thing. The new alliance is focusing their attention on Sandra and Christa now. She can survive for two more shows before coming into focus. If she’s smart she’s going to take herself, Tijuana and Lill aside, make a pact to get Burton and Jon off the island, and then it’s an all woman game.

Remember, the person who gets the million dollars DESERVES to win, except maybe Burton and Lill :p. If you don’t deserve something, it shows by you not having it, regardless of fairness and spectator opinion. Again just MHO.

For the record, an evil part of me YEARNS to have Jon win because my roommate can’t stand him, and I’d love to rub it in her face for a few days :smiley:

Sanscour

ALERT: Survivor will be on Wednesday this week.

I just found this out watching Ole Miss vs. LSU. The announcers also gave a little bit more of a preview and said something like…well I better spoiler box it:

Someone will do the worst thing ever in Survivor history, or the worst lie (something like that) that we’ve ever seen, which we know. They also said that for the first time ever someone who wins the Immunity Challenge will be stripped of it, which I hadn’t heard until now.

I know earlier in the thread I said I won’t watch again…but maybe just this week’s episode :slight_smile:

I think being able to constantly revamp strategy is key.

Rupert’s big mistake was that he got too confident and satisfied. He was oblvious to the shifting attitudes in the tribe, and he assumed that everyone was holding onto the memory of grand ole Drake just as he was. Wrong. Post-merger, you can’t always depend on old tribal alliances.

He had gotten votes in the past, so he should have recognized that he wasn’t exactly loved. Instead, he assumed that he control over the other players in the game. But why?

Also, he was flat-out stupid not hide his strength during the reward and immunity challenges. He could have won one and let someone else have the victories, but he was balls-out for all the challenges. Dumb. Anyone who wants to win a million dollars is going to want to eliminate a threat like that.

The game of Survivor is like the game of natural selection. Survival of the fittest doesn’t mean only the strongest survive. Nor does it mean that only the smartest survive. Your environment in this game is constantly changing. Sometimes it’s good to be strong (like in the beginning). Sometimes it’s good to be under the radar (like after the merger). If you can’t pick up the mood of the environment and make split decisions, you lose.

Rupert is a good man and I’ll miss him, but no one stabbed him in the back.

It’s an interesting contrast between Jon and Rupert. Everyone likes Rupert; everyone hates Jon. Everyone felt threatened by Rupert and targeted him because of how strong a player he was; nobody feels threatened by Jon and everyone wants to bring him to the final two as a partner because they know he will lose. And Rupert, underneath his surface confidence, worried that he wasn’t good enough. Jon meanwhile, who hasn’t done anything right yet in this game, is supremely confident that he is in full control, when in actuality his chances of winning are non-existent. I’m almost to the point of hoping Jon does make the final two just so we can all watch when he loses by a 7-0 vote.

I like Darrah Boomhauer too. She’s so pathetic in the challenges, has she ever even remotely succeeded? they even had her on a little interview during the show for about 15 seconds. I guess that makes two episodes in a row now where she’s spoken.

Good bye Rupert. i’ll miss his character, excellent character but way too possesive. My island, my spear, my…Man, I wonder what his kids are like. I liked Probst when Rup slid down the chute…“Whoa, way more of Rupert than I wanted to see.” Probst has some good lines during those challenges, I gotta hand it to him.