She (the recapper) says “The immunity tool comes with instructions” and she then proceeds to summzarize those instructions. She also includes two phrases within quotes to show that she is in fact “word for word quot[ing] …CBS”.
This all started with gonzoron stating a factual error (ie, the II is good up to, but not including F4). I corrected him/her and then, when questioned again, went out and dug up a cite from a recap made at the time the episode in question aired and generally reliable - by your own admission. This was necessary because the “official” website - to put it politely - sucks ass.
Look, you may not like TWOP and I won’t deny that when describing characters or motivation, the recappers certainly have their biases (something they revel in by the way - they have never claimed to be objective), but unless you can provide a cite showing where TWOP got a fact wrong in a recap then lay the hell off or please provide a list of sites you consider reliable enough for providing information about a TV reality game show.
This is the point I was making, i.e. that at this point in the game, any attempt to get rid of Yul – knowing that he has the hidden idol – is RISKY. Sure, it could be done, but not as a sure thing the way it could be done when there were more people. I still believe that Yul did the analysis and deliberately revealed that he had the idol in order to reduce the chances that anyone would try to vote him out. He knows that most of the others are not the brightest bulbs, and I think it’s very reasonable to count on them being able to see the risk, but at the same time NOT be able (or willing) to form any kind of plan that would run that risk.
As I mentioned in last week’s thead, Yul might be thinking that since they aren’t the brightest bulbs, they may have forgotten that they can still vote for Yul, and force him to use the Immunity Idol, and then it’s gone. Then they can vote him off at the next TC.
The way they (Adam, Candice and Parvati) were talking, they seem to think it’s not worth voting for Yul, since he has the Idol.
The point I was making in my original post was that at some point, it makes more sense to reveal that you have the idol than to keep it a secret. At 9 or more (which only happened right at the merge), 7 of the 9 can take it away from you with no risk to themselves. In that case, I think you’re better off keeping it secret, and just taking the risk that maybe they’ll try to vote you out anyway. Especially since an intelligent 7 absolutely should take it away from you, since it’ll only be more troublesome to get rid of you later.
At 8 or 7, depending on the tiebreaker & hidden idol rules, there’s no way a group can take it away from you with no risk to themselves. In that case, it can/does make sense to reveal it so it can’t be accidently taken away from you. Yes, you still risk an alliance rising to take out the idol, but they can’t do it without risk to one of their own.
If I was Parvati, I think I’d take a stab at trying to convince Ozzy and Sundra that it’s in their best interest to force Yul to use the idol, and make the playing field a little more level.
At this point, it’s outlived it’s usefulness for Yul’s friends. Their group now has the numbers, and Yul would be an idiot to forego the safety of its possession by handing it off to another player prior to tribal council…you can only use the Hidden Immunity Idol if you have it on you at the time you’re voted out (meaning Yul can’t save Ozzy…Ozzy has to save Ozzy by having the idol on him at the time).
So…Parvati goes to Sundra and Ozzy, explaining that she knows Adam and her are the next to go, but unless they force Yul to play the idol now, he’ll have that advantage until the end of the game. The proposal? Adam, Parvati, Ozzy and Sundra vote for Yul…Yul, Jenny, Jonathan vote for whoever they want (most likely Adam). Yul gets the votes, has to use the idol to save himself, and Adam goes home. Then, they can pick of Parvati and Jonathan next.
This 1) shows Ozzy and Sundra that even though she is “out of the running,” she would like to see them have a chance to win and 2) creates a rift in that group, making the opportunity ripe for her or Jonathan to be swing votes at the Final Five.
This would be a good possibility if (1) Parvati had shown any inclination towards this kind on critical thinking, which she really hasn’t so far (her entire strategy so far appears to be made up of flirting and whining); and also if (2) Ozzy didn’t already think he had a chance to beat Yul in Immunity Challenges, which he already knows he does (albeit only at two challenges in). It would not behoove Ozzy – and it fact I think it would be stupid of him – to abandon his alliance now. Because as long as Yul is around, the target is off Ozzy’s back.
I also don’t think that anything Parvati said would carry any weight with Ozzy anyway, as long as Parvati continues to slack off in camp. Remember that Ozzy deliberately threw a challenge early in the game to get rid of a tribemate he thought was useless.
See, I couldn’t get past the part where Parvati uses some form of strategy beyond “sucking up to the big jock types.” She may have the right stuff to make this work, but I don’t see it yet.
Ditto. The idea of Parvati (or Parvateeth, as I’ve seen her called on TWOP) strategizing effectively strikes me as pretty unlikely. She’s not even good at flirting (despite her assurances of the contrary). What was that sorry attempt at flirting with Nate she pulled when she first met him? Something like, “So, you wear pants, huh?”
BTW, I forgot to mention this earlier, but did anyone else think it was odd that none of the Aitus made it past the first round of the Immunity Challenge? I wonder if they deliberately held back, knowing that it wasn’t critical for any of them to win. If Adam won, they’d vote of Candice. If Candice won, they’d vote off Adam.
Not only was it unimportant to them who won, but I think that neither Yul nor Ozzy wants to keep hitting the ball out of the park knowing that once the rest of the Raros are voted off, things will turn ugly very quickly.
If Sundra and Becky weren’t so honorable, I’d think it was in their best interest to form an alliance with Jonathan and Pavrati/Adam to vote off Yul or Ozzy next time. Yul and Ozzy might be their statistically best chance to make it to the Final 3, but I don’t think they have a shot at winning the million bucks against either of them. If they were smart, they’d realize that the ONLY people they have a shot against is: a) each other and b) the universally loathed Jonathan.
Ah, yes…this was less a “here’s what I see happening” and more of a “if she suddenly grew a brain and wanted to extricate herself from this, here’s what she might want to consider.”
Jonathan could also use this strategy, but he doesn’t seem to want to screw over his new alliance…yet. Regardless, just wanted to make the point that…soon…some of Yul’s tribemates might want to figure a way to get that idol out of his hands. It’ll pretty much guarantee him a final three spot, and if he makes it to the final two, I can’t see him not winning (Ozzy and J are disliked by too many, I feel, and Sundra and Becky will probably get the “riding coattails” accusation).
I was thinking the same thing. I have a tendency to overthink things, but it looks and sounds an awful lot like Yul and Ozzy are playing some kind of mutant game of “Chicken” to counter-act the “My question is YOU SUCK” jury types.