She’s been there 4(?) times. I don’t ever remember them showing her doing much idol searching like they did with Jonathan went. I’m not sure she was actually seeking it at all. I remember they showed her looking at the book once but that’s all I recall.
Unless Yul makes some huge mistake, I predict he sails into the final two/three. I must say I’m a bit disappointed about the way everything has turned out because it’s almost like the season is already over. Usually the merge really shakes things up, and I feel like the two tribes haven’t really done any of that this time around.
Not according the people my husband plays Counterstrike* with. Apparently, “pwned” is soooo five minutes ago – “pwnt” is what the kids are saying now, I guess.
** I think it’s Counterstrike. One of those online shoot-'em-up games.*
I forgot the . I’m not arguing, just reporting what I hear from my sources. And … can I just tell you know much I love that you used “rockle” and “plotz” in the same sentence? I don’t know why, but I do. I probably would, too. I do a lot of things in Yiddish, because almost everything sounds better that way.
He only revealed that he had it when Jeff brought up that Exile Island DID offer the possibility of finding the Immunity Idol. Candice said that she thought she knew where it was and Yul said, “Let me end the suspense. I have it.” Now you can read that as him being a gentleman by saving her some useless digging, but I read it as Yul extinguishing the only glimmer of hope that Candice had.
And, remember, when Jeff asked why he revealed that he had it, Yul gave a big spiel about strategy. He had every opportunity to say that he was trying to be a gentleman, and thus winning points with Candice, but he said nothing to her.
And then the next day he deliberately withheld food from Candice.
No. I really don’t think Yul was trying to be gentleman. I think he was trying to stick it to her for jumping ship. Which surprises me, both because he seems like a nice guy AND because he’s usually so rational and I think that it was an irrational thing to do.
I don’t see Yul doing anything blatantly vengeful. It was Jonathan who raised the point of withholding food. Yul’s rationale could be that he has to side with his current alliance, which Candice is not a part of. Being a “gentleman” and offering food to Candice could be seen as disloyal by his alliance, insulting and disrespectful to Jonathan who caught the food, and being ruled by lust or hormones by a now jealous Becky. Turning friends into enemies is irrational.
Am I the only one who doesn’t see Yul as some kind of Survivor god? I can’t stand him! That smug monotone, that “I’m-smarter-than-all-of-you” attitude…my Og, he basically told Becky that she wasn’t going to F2 with him, like he has the divine right to be there and decide who stands next to him! Someone needs to take this smug little putz down a peg, and the way to do it is to vote him off next TC, get the idol out of his hands, and then take him out for real at the TC after that. Maybe this would be the “big move” everybody’s predicting for Ozzy, yes?
Of course, that probably won’t happen because A) his alliance is so dazzled by his brilliance that they figure there’s room on his coattails for all of them, and B) the other dumbasses are too intimidated by him to even consider suggesting the above to his minions.
Jonathan is no worse a personality than some of the others who have prospered in this game, and I think he’s playing this game for all it’s worth. I’d like to see him end up in F2, but the person he needs to latch onto to get there is Ozzy, not Yul.
Even before he won immunity, I started to get an inkling that Adam has a halfway decent chance at winning the game. Maybe a Jonathan-Ozzy-Adam alliance? I’d include Parvati, but, IMHO, she’s been in this game about 27 days too long already!
And re Jeff’s “if it was love…” comment: when he said that, Mrs. Know just exclaimed, "JEFF! ", then turned to me and said, “That was an ugly thing to say!”. I just smiled and said “I love it! He truly is the evil puppet master!” Just too bad Candice went home so early; would have loved to see the repercussions caused by the comment.
I always find it really interesting how different people can see the same things and feel completely different. I don’t see Yul as smug AT ALL. I don’t hear his monotone as an affectation so much as just being even-toned. That’s either his natural way of speaking (likely), or he’s just making an effort not to get into a tone of voice that pisses people off (which happens a lot in this game). I’ve watched every season of Survivor, and there are maybe three people out of all the players that I would actively LIKE to have as friends, and Yul is at the top of that list. I don’t see him as a “god” but simply as an extremely effective player of the Survivor game. He knows the game, he knows what he’s doing, he adapts quickly to changes, he plans rather than schemes, he will almost certainly get to the final 2 or 3 having pissed off very few players and done very, very little backstabbing. So many other players (in all seasons) are either hopelessly naive, overly social/friendly/trusting, overly scheming and backstabbing, overly confident, blind, or just plain stupid. Yul is none of the above.
Most of the winners of Survivor have done so either because they got lucky, or they ended up being the lesser of two evils. Very, VERY few have truly deserved to win because they really outplayed and outwitted. When/if Yul wins, he will deserve every penny.
See post #57. Unless they can get all six to go after Yul – which would require that someone agree to be the sacrificial lamb and voluntarily go home – it’s just too late to get rid of him knowing that he has the idol. I think it’s very clear that Yul made the same logical analysis that muldoonthief did, and that that’s why he revealed that he had the idol.
Yul is extremely intelligent and analytical. it was not a misstep that he revealed he had the idol, nor did he do it to save Candace from fruitlessly digging for it, nor did he do it to rub it into Candace’s face. He did it because it was the strategically right thing to do at that point in the game. Using the same logic as muldoonthief, he WANTED everyone to know he had it. Even if no one else is able to come up with that analysis as a thought experiment, the fruitlessness of trying to get rid of Yul would surely dawn on them as they tried to formulate how to do the voting: “Ok, the three of us will vote for Yul, and the two of you vote for Becky.” “Uh, but then after Yul brings out the idl, it’ll be a 2-2 tie. Which one of us wants to take that risk?” “Not me.” “Not me.” . . . say all the sefish kids.
And a thought just ocurred to me: An upcoming possible measure of Yul’s real smalts in this game will be if he deliberately doesn’t try his hardest at the car challenge. I don’t believe in curses and Yul probably doesn’t either, but if I found myself in that position, I’d reason, “Why take the chance? When I win, I’ll buy whatever car I want.” And besides, if you’re sitting in the final two WITH the car, you increase the likelihood (however small) that someone will use that as a reason to vote against you.
I’ve been thinking the same thing. If Yul wins the whole shebang, he’d get a car anyway, and I’m pretty sure Yul is savvy to that. Whether or not the “Car Curse” actually exists was previously debated, but whether it does or not, Yul seems like enough of a Survivor fan (and astute enough, just in general) to know when to hold back. Why tempt fate? He also seems to be very aware of when it’s in his best interest to play hard, and when it isn’t. Reward challenges? Not so much. Immunity? Definitely.
I am saying TWOP knows no more than any of us with an obsessive use of TIVO might glean. In other words, citing them is about like citing us here at the SDMB. And, By that- I don’t mean like citing Cecil or one of the SDSAB, just another Member that seems to watch the show very carefully. Now, cite CBS, and you’re in business.
Don’t get me wrong- they do watch the show very carefully, and if they say "at the 32.5 minute mark into the 9/21epi, Peachy (gawd how I hate that nickname) says “blah blah blah” then I believe them. But that link takes me to a recap where the “recapper” does not word for word quote Jeff or CBS, and thus the recapper knows no more than any of us with a tape of the shows do. In other words- maybe she’s right, but maybe she’s wrong. She’s no more an expert on the show than any real rabid viewer is. No special knowledge, just watching carefully. And they often get little hates or loves on about the various characters of the show, and can get very biased, which colors their accounts. So unless the recapper quotes literally word for word, then it’s nice but no more accurate than say John Mace, PunditLisa, Little Nemo or several other diehard fans here.
I am not saying they are wrong, just that TWOP is no more a valid cite than a post here.
Actually, it would be really easy to organize a coup to get the HII away from Yul. Next week it’s pretty safe to assume that either Adam or Parvati will be voted off. Once it’s decided which one will go, Becky, Sundra, and Ozzy just have to either make sure that sacrificial person votes for Yul or pull in the leftover Raro to vote against Yul. Leave Yul and Jonathan to vote for the sacrificial Raro. That will force Yul to use the HII, then the sacrificial Raro goes home. The next tribal council there won’t be a HII to worry about.
Thank you for pointing this out! I used to visit that site quite a bit, but the attitude you have just described really soured me on them - especially Miss Ali, whom I have grown to hate with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns.
Ah, I see. That’s what happens when an Alter kaker tries to be .
Unless one of the “sacrificial” ones has a sudden rush of brains (admittedly a long shot for Adam), and realizes a door has just opened for them. They go running to Yul & Jonathan with details of the plan. Yul would immediately dump Ozzy, Becky & Sundra and make a new alliance with Adam & Parvati & Jonathan.
Sure, Adam and Parvati loathe Jonathan, but it’s a big risk for Ozzy Becky & Sundra to count on that loathing just to get rid of the idol.
They don’t necessarily even need those two, as long as they can figure out who they are voting for. Let Yul and Jonathan vote for Adam, Adam and Parvati vote for Jonathan, and the rest vote for Yul. That takes out the idol and leaves Adam and Jonathan trying to make fire to save themselves.
As long as they know who Yul and Jonathan are voting for and make sure Adam and Parvati vote for someone else, they can use their three votes to smoke out the idol.
I think the problem with this plan is that it is too risky for everybody. Jonathan switched because he took a 100% chance to stay longer on the island over a 50% chance of leaving. Say you are Ozzy or Sundra. Do you risk your own neck to trust Becky with your plan? I don’t think Becky will hatch such a plan, so at some point you must approach Becky. You know she is tight with Yul… how confident are you that you can truly turn her? If she only pretends to turn, she runs off to tell Yul and secretly votes for Adam. The idol stays with Yul, Becky has solidified her alliance, and you are shown to be rats. Next week, the idol can sink you.
As soon as you mention this plan to anyone, you potentially made enemies out of both Jonathan and Yul. (possibly Becky, too)
. I’m not arguing, just reporting what I hear from my sources. And … can I just tell you know much I love that you used “rockle” and “plotz” in the same sentence? I don’t know why, but I do. I probably would, too. I do a lot of things in Yiddish, because almost everything sounds better that way.
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