Survivor 3-26 (on a Weds again)

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Sorry i called it an “excuse”, i meant the “deaf card” like i always said, somewhat like the “race card”. And once said with passion at the early part of the season, i stick by that impression. When she gets voted out she’ll somehow play it in so that her defeat wasn’t a true defeat, yadda yadda.

I don’t know what version of Survivor you’re watching but Christy is NOT making any grounds on team making and alliance striking. She’s just in it for the ride and HAS NOT made a move to make her OWN alliance. All she is doing is voting on her own or voting because someone coerced her to. She hasn’t made a move to break current alliances, or even make a strong bond with anyone in the time that she was there.

Remember Pornstar Brian? He forged bonds, the others forged seemingly tight bonds with him. How come Christy hasnt formed a tight bond with say Butch the feel-good speech maker? I doubt she’s gonna make any friends with the women as she isolated herself from them.

She isn’t playing the game well as we’re shown it. Survival skills, challenge winning is nothing in this game. It’s all about bond making and bloc voting. Making friends and knowing when to stab them in the back…

i think this is what they should be doing…

http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article2738.art&page=1

scheming and plotting, and yet we have yet to hear her talk about her plans and schemes, nor do we see her talking to make bonds that she can break. All we do see is an oblivious smile, a useless work ethic, a witty remark on the situation that just occurred or something superficial to the real gameplay of survivor.

I can’t root for the played, I can root for the players (no matter how godawful they are, i.e. Rob).

As for Ferrous’s comment on the first TC where she was allowed to vent her frustrations and blame it on her “deafness” as being right. I must disagree, how does she know that she was being an outcast for being deaf? Maybe the girls would treat her the same even without the disability? Maybe it was her personality? But to Christy it can’t be her perfect personality, it MUST be her disability.

Give me a break, it’s just like if Daniel said his ouster was solely based on him being of Asian descent rather than pointing out that he didnt get along with the majority siding with the a$$hole Roger. It was his personality of being somewhat of a non worker that got him out as well as his non-relationship with the man (at the time) calling the shots. And it wasn’t of his heritage, maybe it was knowing the bigot roger is but he seemed not to like from the get-go.

Oh and you never forget the first impression, and sorry to Christy but her first impression on me is that tribal council rant using the “deaf card”. I know her true colors just by that rant. Get over yourself, it’s not always about your disability, it IS your personality. Blaming the other women when you don’t put an extra effort to make friends. Ever think of approaching Jenna first rather than have her come talk to you? Ever think of taking the Jabaru lantern and get yourself situated in the night time conversations? No you have to get others to accomodate you, come to you, ask you, do stuff for you.

I don’t agree with the way the women handled themselves compared to the new tambaqui, where the men were more helpful, but Christy isnt a helpless little baby and she can do things on her own, like ask if things need to be done, ask for a recap of night whispers, ask if someone wants to sit and talk. She is isolating her own damn self with that “poor me I’m deaf and no one likes me” attitude. We havent seen her make any strides in bond making, all she is doing is waiting for people to make moves. Her gameplay isnt progressive, it’s idling/waiting. If she wants to change my attitude towards her, she needs to be more bold and make a move, leave a mark in this game, showing that edge needed to win this struggle for power.

Oh well, i doubt i’ll change my tune on her. I doubt she’ll win. I’m not rooting against her but not rooting for her, like all the other survivors. I think I’ll root for Matt, no one likes him, I’ll pity root him hehe. and i hope he uses that machete for some real drama…

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Deena and Rob seem pretty strong, and seem to have things under control pretty well. Unless they do something pretty stupid, they look good to run things for at least the next few weeks. BUT, I think Deena was starting to act a little too cocky (heh) for her own good. “I outlasted Roger, and that’s all that matters.” Keep up like that, and the peons may realize they need to gang up and get rid of her. OTOH, that cockiness may have been provoked by Roger’s assholitude, and with him gone, she may calm down again.

I loved the “I wasn’t outthought or outplayed. I must have been outlasted,” at the end. No, buddy, you were both outthought AND outplayed. You were just too dang clueless to realize it.

Matthew’s a freak.

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What I found amusing was that the women didn’t have to strip. They knew there would be a “temptation”. They said they’d strip for chocolate and peanut butter, and that’s what there was; so I suspect they knew what the temptation would be (maybe they saw it). They knew they didn’t need immunity. All they’d have to do is stand there a few more minutes until Jeff offered the goodies and they would have been off the perch, they would be safe from the vote, they would get the snackage, and they wouldn’t have had to strip. Instead, they offered the goodies. They could have had the things they got without doing that. (Not that I’m complaining…)

And Ro(d)ger was a real bonehead. I thought, “What’s he doing, giving up? He knows there will be another temptation! He should at least wait to get that, instead of just quitting minutes after the girls!”

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I forgot to mention…the best line of the night for me was when Rob was talking in his confessional about what sorts of challenges that Roger could expect to win, and he said Roger might do well if they had a “Name this type of prune” challenge. Bwwwaaaahahahaha!!

Rob later lost any points he’d gained with me with the crack about fat girls during the sex conversation, though. He’s occasionally funny, but still a deeply rooted jackass.

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Man, Rog was about the most clusless person I can remember going this far. Tho Dave may be running a close second.

Props to Rob and Deena for seeing and seizing the opportunity. I did not think they would be able to galvanize their entire tribe. Then, you figured adding Heidi was a given.

Why would the 3 guys vote for Christy, instead of - say - Deena or maybe Jenna to break up the Jenna/Heidi alliance?

The next 2 weeks could be boring, if it just goes Dave and Butch. But this is the time we could see 2-somes trying to pair up to advantage. And even if Dave and Butch are the next to go, after that, it should get interesting. Unless it is just Alex and Matt next. If it comes down to that, Jenna and Heidi could be powerful, especially if Rob votes with his dick.

I think everyone did a masterful job of not telling Roger off. When he woke up and started whacking away with his machete while everyone else was asleep. For crying out loud, moron. Go fishing. Get some water. Or dig a shithole if you must do something.

Can anyone else remember an ep where it was so clear that someone was going to get voted off, and where the target was so clueless?

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Rob is a jerk – but he went from being the probable first man gone in the Roger/penis-only alliance to a deal with Deena to be top 4. His most telling quote was (paraphrased): Roger is running around building a shelter while I build alliances we’ll see who understands this game.

It wasn’t just Roger who was clueless (& BTW That AM pounding with the machete??? The early jump??? PO’ing everyone off??? I almost wondered if he was TRYING to go at some level) tho re the clueless-ness: Dave & Butch were both shocked & never saw it coming too. I think that is down to Matt & Rob re the total surprise – I wonder if they will lose votes on the jury because of that???

One reason I like this show was (like Roger to his credit saw) when everything seems obvious you worry … If Matt is mad I wonder what that does to the group?

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Dear Mr. Camera Operator,

 Please stop showing close-ups of Heidi's boobs. They're hideous, at best. Thanks.

                                  - rr70

[Hank Kimbell] Well, not really her boobs, they’re more store bought boobs. But then again, I guess she bought 'em, so they are her boobs. But not really. What was the question? [/HK]

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LOL, ABT is about is accurate as the Farmer’s Almanac.

But the Doper’s picks were not much better.

The highlight was the look on smug Roger’s face. Also enjoyable was the stunned looks on Dave and Butch. They didn’t work hard at gaining votes after the merge, and having Roger as their spokesperson was a massive blunder.

Rob is going out at 4, he is just too stupid to realize it. Sadly, the remains of the young girl alliance looks solid to the final 4. Deena will be the last person, and the winner. I can’t wait to see the look on Rob’s face.

Denna’s sole issue is she is getting smug. If she plays it right, the game is her’s.

Prediction: In order of boots (may be reordered due to immunity):

  1. Dave
  2. Butch
  3. Christy :frowning:
  4. Matt :smiley:
  5. Alex
  6. Rob
  7. Jenna
  8. Heidi
  9. Winner over Heidi-- Denna (who picks Heidi to go with her)
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You took my post right out of my mouth, except for the not complaining part. I was so confused by the stripping. Personally I would have stopped after taking off my top; why bother with the pants? I wish we would have seen a reaction shot from Deena (I don’t think we did, did we?) during that segment. I imagine it was a lethal combination of withering and embarrassed.

Matt’s always scared me with his cadaverous cheekbones, but those shots of him sharpening the machete in the trailers have me curled up inside. He’s got those dead fish eyes that stare through you.

I’m hoping Dave got a massive case of the shits after eating those buffalo wings.

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We only know what we’re being shown. Who knows what’s really going on?

I see 4 possibilities:

  1. Christy is being played. I think this is unlikely. She’s not stupid. She may have enjoyed Butch’s flattery, but she doesn’t trust him enough to throw her lot in with him.
  2. Christy has secret alliances. This is possible, but I think we would have seen some evidence of it by now.
  3. Christy is playing the game in a whole new way. Could she be a Richard Hatchian strategist? Okay, not too likely either. But would be interesting.
  4. Christy is playing a waiting game. I think the most likely possibility is that she knows any alliances that she forms will be for the benefits of others, and that she will be first on the chopping block. So, she might be waiting to make a power play. At this point, that may be the smartest strategy. She’s missed the boat on forming long-standing alliances, so she’s waiting for an opportunity to use her one vote to good advantage. At this point, remaining unallied might be safer than being allied.

I’ve worked with some deaf people in the outdoor industry, and not to be cliched or anything, but they are damn good at reading body language and figuring out what’s going on from clues. She might well be more clued in than anybody.

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Green Bean, you took the words right out of my mouth with your point number 4.

(Well, actually, you said it better than I was going to say it.)

And your thought that she might be more clued in via body language clues than the others is an intriguing idea.

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Dammit, I forgot it was on wednesday again.
Glad to see Christy survived to the merge. I was worried for her when Heidi turned on Jeanne.

I’m rooting for her or Deena.

Question: did Christy have to give the “just so you know, I’m deaf” speech again to the guys she never shared a tribe with before? (Rob, Matt, and Alex, I think?)

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“She might well be more clued in than anybody.”

maybe, but have you tried to read her body language? She is smiling all the time – that must be her ‘mask’. I wish she would stop smiliing though.

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No–I’m pretty bad at reading body language. Are you saying that she might be faking her body language? Hmm…Intriguing.

But I wasn’t just referring to body language. I was referring to being able to read other kinds of clues as well–like maybe noticing that Deena and Rob are off by themselves a lot and inferring a possible alliance. Y’know, Sherlock Holmes stuff. Now, that would be an interesting way to play the game–making an effort to pay extra attention to the non-verbal clues and gain information that the others think is secret. She’s probably already better than the others than that kind of thing, and if she made a conscious effort to use that skill…

Mark Burnett puts an awful lot of effort into casting this show with people who are somehow interesting. I expect he was hoping to cast a person with a disability sooner or later–but disabilities aren’t necessarily interesting. But a person who is able to succeed in the game because of skills learned as a result of a disability…now that’s interesting.
But this is all just speculation. She could be being played.

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They couldn’t vote for Deena because she had immunity.

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Exactly. Madawc, I’m not really interested in trying to convince you Christy is cool. You’ve decided you don’t like her, and I do. We can agree to disagree, AFAIC.

But be aware that the stuff we see represents less than 1% of the actual interactions of the contestants. We have no way of knowing who may be scheming with whom, except for the tiny fraction they choose to show us every week. (A fraction which is often deliberately misleading, BTW.)

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Dinsdale–and they wouldn’t vote for Jenna because she might get naked again if they’re nice to her.

Bear in mind that that was her original strategy! In the first episode, she said she was going to be using her looks to get on the guys’ good sides, and strip if she had to, to stay in the game, and when she found herself in a tribe of all women, she figured she was pretty screwed…

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Dave said they were voting for Christy because they expected all of the men to vote for a woman and they figured the women would be voting against Christy anyway. I imagine that Alex, Matthew, and Rob told Christy their plan and converted the only potential ally the men had. In retrospect, the three men were surprisingly overconfident and oblivious to what was going on around them.

I think it’s very likely that Jenna and Heidi had made previous plans to flash the crowd at the earliest opportunity. As others noted, it was not necessary by any means, and it was clearly done at their own initiative. And remember that in the previous nude scene, neither woman was especially exhibitionist; it was Shawna who took her top off first, Jenna followed but covered her breasts with her hands and Heidi kept her top on. In my opinion, the two women had decided to strip nude because they knew the effect it would have on the men (“Mmmmm…nekkid boobies…ain’t voting against that”).

As for the screen blurring, I guess we’ll just have to wait for the “Girls of Survivor” pictorial in Playboy to clear up the details.

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I almost forgot my other favorite line:

“I enjoy being told what to do by the people in charge.” - Rob.

What a smartass.

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Yes, I think Jenna and Heidi were just waiting for the first opportunity to get nekkid. Notice how they were talking about threesomes and lesbian action over the campfire? They’re trying their damndest to get the boys to think with the “little head” when it comes to them. Rob’s reaction, “I want to be in the top three with THEM” is exactly what they were shooting for. They may not be brain surgeons (or Rocket Scientists…snicker…heh), but pretty girls know how to play men.

That’s why they allied themselves with Deena. Either they
a. Think she’s gay, or
b. Figure they need a female ally, because they’ll already have the men on their side.