Yes, that is her weakness. You can’t fault her determination, focus, and character, but she has not shown me any talent at the strategic aspect of the game. However the previews suggest that she may be figuring that out also. Go Steph.
How can you have been on that island for 26 days and not learned how to make a fire? Sheesh.
Allegiances change like the wind, who knows what direction it will be blowing in next week. Even if a guy wins tribal, the women can knock if another guy. If they stick togther, and they better do it fast, because if the guys outnumber the women, it’s over for them. If the women had any brains they’d get rid of ian or tom pronto.
Maybe I missed discussion of this-- I haven’t read all of the Survivor threads-- but is Janu ill? That poor girl is nothing but skin and bones, and when she finally does get some calories at the feast, she vomits promptly.
She complained about the cold in the water-- isn’t this the tropics? There is no way that water was that cold. She looked like she was shiverring. None of the others appeared to feel chilled at all.
For a Vegas showgirl (I’m assuming she’s a dancer) she’s horribly weak. Dancing is a very strenuous profession-- shouldn’t she be a little stronger?
I think Tom, Ian, and Gregg have made a major mistake now. I totally disagree that Stephenie is a poor player; there were nine Ulongs and only one made the merge - this is not the work of a poor player. That said, I think Stephenie’s going to have a tough time forming a women’s alliance. Katie seems content to ride the men’s coattails (and for her it’s a good strategy - everyone else will want to carry her to the final two). Jenn’s still too hooked up over Gregg to seperate her social life from the game. So Stephenie’s best strategy would be to hook up with Gregg and Jenn and then the three of them could bring in Caryn (who otherwise is going to go soon). Gregg’s main fear was Tom and Ian so he’d probably go along with it. Stephenie can ride this alliance to the final four, ditch Caryn to get into the final three, and then hope she can outlast Gregg and Jenn in the last endurance challenge.
I thought Katie and Jenn were also shivering. Not to the extent that Janu was shivering, but if you rewind it, you’ll see their hands shaking a little. Unfortunately, Janu was only skin and bones so she didn’t have any extra padding to keep her warm.
Wow. Just wow.
Steph was incredibly lucky. She’s played the physical game well though, and she deserves to stay in the game.
One of the things they teach you in basic SCUBA is that you can become hypothermic even in warm tropical waters. Normal people in 80°F water can last for a long time, but Janu looks as if she has zero insulation. I’m not surprised that she got cold first.
This doesn’t seem difficult to understand – your core temperature is 98f, so if you’re floating in 85f water, you’re constantly losing heat. At some point, depending on your ability to retain heat, your core temperature is affected. <shiver!> Right?
Re: Stephanie’s emotion @ IC – my take was that she was moved to tears because of her anger/outrage that someone like Jenu would walk away from Survivor in a heartbeat, where Steph had worked so hard to get where she was and didn’t want to leave. On that basis, I can respect her frustration/anger. Dunno if I’m reading this right, or if the other survivors took away the same message.
Correct. Water conducts the heat away from your body faster than air, so heat loss in 85°F water will be greater than heat loss in 85°F air.
One of the PADI tapes showed a guy diving in the Caribbean without a wetsuit. No worries, since most people are warm enough for a while. But then it showed him climbing onto the boat and shivering, then wrapping up in a towel. The lesson was that even in warm water you can get cold.
I just re-watched the TC, and if Steph is faking then she gets my vote for the Academy Award. Her pure anguish and fear over potentially getting voted out in order to let a weaker player linger just to get picked off later was heart-wrenching to me. She may have been playing to the camera and her immediate audience, but I just didn’t get that vibe. It felt genuine to me.
That being said, was it a dumb move to lay her emotions out like that? I don’t think so, when evidently the buzz was that she was the one who was going to be betrayed and voted off. I wouldn’t be surprised if in post-finale clips we see her working Janu prior to TC in a last ditch effort to try and convince Janu to lay down her torch. The only way she was not going to get voted out was if Janu called it quits, and it worked! Great Survivor move on Steph’s part!
I don’t think the ‘female vs. male’ ploy is going to work, as hinted at in the promos, simply because it’s still fresh in everyone’s mind how well that worked last season, and that Steph is obviously the alpha-female of the bunch, and if it came down to an all female end, she would definitely walk away victorious. (How’s that for a rambling sentence?)
Just a promo-based intuition, but I think Gregg is going home next week. Don’t the promos generally tend to emphasize the major players of the coming episode? And in these promos it was definitely Steph vs. Gregg.
There have been some amazing Tribal Councils in the past:
Sue Hawk’s “The rat and the snake” speech in Borneo
Paschal calling Shawn disingenuous in Marquesas
Eliza getting into a free-for-all with the women in Panama
Big Tom lashing out at Boston Rob (“Don’t be stupid, stupid!”) at All Stars
Tonight was one of them. I didn’t think Janu would quit even though she wanted to go, so when she said she wanted to go but it wasn’t up to her, I told my wife “Jeff should tell her it is up to her and remind her of Osten, Jenna Morasca and Sue Hawk quitting!” but I didn’t really expect anything to happen. This was the first episode ever in which Jeff Probst did something that affected the outcome of a tribal council. I love how he orchestrated Janu’s exit and saved Steph. I can’t wait for this to be addressed at the reunion show, I really hope they bring it up.
Great episode, just awesome.
Actually they were talking about voting out Tom in the promos for next week.
But from spoilers it’s Steph’s turn to go next week. And I don’t think she will have a problem with that, since everyone left is a major player, either physically or strategically.
I kept hoping that at tribal council, Steph would seize the opporunity to say something like this to Greg or Ian — “If this were about voting off the strongest competition and not about alliances, then you would be voting off Tom right now.”
Please refresh my memory - when, and about what, did Ian lie to Stephenie’s face? I don’t recall this. And I kind of got the impression from the K.I.T. alliance that, despite the smack that Gregg was talking, they were going to vote out Janu anyway, since she all but said she thought she was better off without the rest of the tribe.
And upon further consideration and reflection, I think I might have been unnecessarily harsh in my comments about Steph last night. I still think that her lack of strategery is going to bite her in the tuchus sooner than later, but in terms of raw desire to be in the game, she may be the best player “Survivor” has ever had. In any other season, she would have been the hands-down winner right out of the gate. But this time, she is in against a bunch of people – most notably Ian and Tom, but also Gregg – who also really have “the fire.” This, I think, explains Koror’s domination for the first half of the game: those guys did a lot of carrying.
Lib, I agree in principle with what you are saying, but I think it would have backfired. For starters, Tom had immunity at TC. But calling out the “big” alliance – which I think everyone already knows about anyway – would have just made Steph a bigger target. Certainly she wouldn’t have been able to recruit Ian for her cause. It is clear that he has no intention of voting against Tom until he absolutely has to, and vice versa for Tom. What I don’t entirely understand is why she didn’t say anything to Gregg, though. Steph was told about the “traitor sub-alliance” by Coby before his ouster.
Tom and Ian should have kept their alliance with Katie and Stephanie. Gregg admitted that he wanted to vote Steph off because she was the biggest female threat. If Steph is the biggest female threat, who’s the biggest male threat? Duh. That would be Tom. There goes Ian’s lifeline because he can’t seem to win a challenge to save his life.
Ian is an idjit if he thinks that Gregg is going to vote Jen off ahead of Ian. Not only is Ian a much bigger threat to win challenges, but Gregg’s emotionally tied with Jen. Who would you want to be in the finals with: Jen or Ian?
Since Gregg targeted Steph, which made Tom betray his secret alliance, I think Tom should turn the tables on him next week and target Jen. If for no other reason than to test how loyal Gregg is.
Let’s see, Katie has gotten into fights with Caryn and Janu. She even irritates Jeff Probst. Honey, I’d be keeping her around as long as possible.
Did I hear Jeff say that Janu would not be a part of the jury?
How’s that going to work? Don’t they usually have an odd number of jury members to assure that there is not a tie in the final voting.
If Janu’s out, there will be an even number, and a tie will be possible.
Nope. Janu will be on the jury.
I totally don’t see that. Katie and Jen are not strong players. They’re coattail riders.
Thanks. I was talking to my wife when both of us thought that we heard Jeff say that she wouldn’t be part of the jury. More than likely he said, “You are now the second member of the jury.” I should learn to shut up and listen.
I think Janu alone on the island was the happiest I’ve seen her since day one. I don’t like it when people quit, but I loved the way everyone made her quit, rather than vote her out. You want to leave that badly, you make the decision.
I’m too lazy to find quotes now, but I don’t think Ian lied to Steph’s face. IIRC, he just kept his mouth shut. Somebody with a TiVo go back and check, but I think Tom lied to her.
And oh. my. Og. Did Coby get like ten times gayer in the three days since he got voted off? I have to say, though, watching his face during TC is going to be my favorite part of every episode from here on in.
And I still love Ian.