[QUOTE=PastAllReason]
My view of Cirie hasn’t changed since I posted this earlier this year. For that matter, my thoughts on how Jeff Probst views the female survivor competitors hasn’t changed either
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Back in that post, you mentioned
But, from here we see that Jeff thinks highly of Cirie
[QUOTE=Jeff Probst]
Shane didn’t receive as much praise from Probst as Cirie Fields, a 35-year-old registered nurse that Probst described as “one of my Top 5 people ever on the show.”
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[Quote=Jeff Probst]
Probst also believes that enthusiasm for the game will translate into popularity with Survivor viewers, predicting that at least two of Survivor: Panama’s castaways will emerge as all-time fan favorites and the season itself will be considered one of the long-running reality show’s top editions. “You are going to like a lot of people this season,” said Probst. “I think we’ll see two of the most popular characters we’ve ever had.” “I am saying right now that [Survivor: Panama] will be one of the top five seasons. We will see if the audience agrees.”
Chief among Probst’s list of Panama’s standout castaways is Shane Powers, a 35-year-old entertainment marketing company owner from Los Angeles that Probst described as a “homerun.” “Shane’s the guy that if he walked in every season and looked different, we’d put him on every season,” said Probst. “He opens his mouth and you go, oh what’s he going to say next? This is a guy that smoked for 20 years, three packs a day and I think half the reason he came out here was he wanted to quit.”
However even Shane didn’t receive as much praise from Probst as Cirie Fields, a 35-year-old registered nurse that Probst described as “one of my Top 5 people ever on the show.” “Cirie represents every person that watches Survivor and sits on their couch and says, ‘I could do that’ but they never get up,” said Probst. “Cirie got up and that’s what makes me love Cirie. She is the least likely person you’d ever expect to see make it on the show… she’s just wonderful.”
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A little more from the article for context. Interesting how you read it, Polerius, and the different interpretations that people can have. I read that as that he **likes ** Cirie, not that he thinks she is one of the top competitors. What I noted about that article is he is talking about her in context of Shane, and overall entertainment value. I also note that he calls her one of “top 5 people”, not one of the “top 5 survivors”.
Define “survivor” in the context of this show.
[QUOTE=silenus]
Is it wrong of me to want Amanda to not win the million so she will accept the offer from Playboy to pose for some big bucks? Does wishing that make me a bad person?
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If she does, I hope she chooses a publication other than Playboy. They always try to “glam” up the girls, and as evidenced by the reunion shows, Survivor hotties tend not to look great with too much makeup and airbrushing. The men on the reunions look alright, but a lot of the women become unrecognizable when they get back to civilization.
[QUOTE=The Controvert]
If she does, I hope she chooses a publication other than Playboy. They always try to “glam” up the girls, and as evidenced by the reunion shows, Survivor hotties tend not to look great with too much makeup and airbrushing. The men on the reunions look alright, but a lot of the women become unrecognizable when they get back to civilization.
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I think you’re right about this. However, there’s never been (AFAIK) pinup shots of a Survivor girl whom I actually liked on the show. Heidi Strobel and Jenna Morasca were ladies I found really unattractive inside, so I just couldn’t really enjoy the rest. I’d enjoy seeing more of Amanda, mostly because she really seems like a genuine, smart and personable lady with her clothes on (and she has a smile that should be used to light cities), where Heidi and Jenna didn’t meet that standard, not even close.
Too late to edit: Apparently Ami Cusack had posed nude before Survivor. Same provisos about Heidi and Jenna above also apply.
ETA: and Ozzy nekkid (widely posted on the intertubes) is just not my cup of tea, thanks.
[QUOTE=Ruffian]
I was so flabberghasted and angry when I saw he was going to give up the necklace, I jumped up from the couch and went straight to something less offensive to my sensibilities, like loading the dishwasher. I hate all of the remaining women, except Cirie (though I don’t exactly love her). Erik wasn’t playing a strategic game that was going to win him anything, but still, he’s not a cheshire cat-grinning Pretty Girl that makes me want to bash her teeth in. I seriously don’t know if I will watch the finale, because I’m not looking forward to the people I found least likable getting financially rewarded.
Erik is a helluva naive dumbass, but at least he had other, redeeming qualities. Grumble.
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My exact thoughts completely.
This struck as not just a life lesson for Erik, but for the male population in general (and me specifically!) Never before have I viewed women with such… an element of distrust.
And Amanda, I can’t believe I liked/rooted for her! I feel so… used. The others, well, I expected that from them. I don’t think Amanda wanted to get rid of Erik because he was a challenge machine. I think it was just because he has a, umm, thang.
That said, from a gender standpoint, if you reversed the scenario, men would probably behave the same way. Herd mentality has powerful effects. But obviously because we men are just so fucking stupid we wouldn’t know what to do.
[QUOTE=Moonchild]
This struck as not just a life lesson for Erik, but for the male population in general (and me specifically!) Never before have I viewed women with such… an element of distrust.
And Amanda, I can’t believe I liked/rooted for her! I feel so… used. The others, well, I expected that from them. I don’t think Amanda wanted to get rid of Erik because he was a challenge machine. I think it was just because he has a, umm, thang.
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And if someone walks into a tiger cage and gets eaten, do you blame the tiger? Especially if there are huge signs on either side of the door saying, BEWARE OF MAN-EATING TIGER?
Cirie came up with the most implausible, ridiculous idea in Survivor history–and Erik actually bought into it! Even the women couldn’t believe it actually worked! This isn’t a question of trust or distrust–it was absolute stupidity of the first magnitude! In poker terms, they had about a ten-high and actually bluffed the guy holding a royal flush into folding!
And this had nothing to do with Amanda. Cirie came up with the idea; no one actually thought it would work, but they figured “what the hell, it’s worth a shot.” Now, that being said, I was rooting for Amanda all the way until this week’s show. I too was in the group wondering how Cirie got as far in the game as she did. Now I finally understand, and hope she takes the million. And if she makes final three, I can’t see anyone voting against her if they judge solely on game play.
[QUOTE=Moonchild]
This struck as not just a life lesson for Erik, but for the male population in general (and me specifically!) Never before have I viewed women with such… an element of distrust.
And Amanda, I can’t believe I liked/rooted for her! I feel so… used. The others, well, I expected that from them. I don’t think Amanda wanted to get rid of Erik because he was a challenge machine. I think it was just because he has a, umm, thang.
That said, from a gender standpoint, if you reversed the scenario, men would probably behave the same way. Herd mentality has powerful effects. But obviously because we men are just so fucking stupid we wouldn’t know what to do.
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I don’t understand this thinking at all. What does it have to do with men and women? Erik had shown absolutely no loyalty toward Amanda, even though she had helped him. He double-crossed Natalie in this very episode. He lied, clumsily, to everyone and had proven himself a gullible moron.
Why shouldn’t everyone else, no matter what their gender, plot to get this mope off the show before he could win another challenge?
[QUOTE=The Controvert]
If she does, I hope she chooses a publication other than Playboy. They always try to “glam” up the girls, and as evidenced by the reunion shows, Survivor hotties tend not to look great with too much makeup and airbrushing. The men on the reunions look alright, but a lot of the women become unrecognizable when they get back to civilization.
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It seems really common for the hotties to look not so hot at the reunion show. And I don’t think it’s just the weight loss on the show. Sometimes the put on so much makeup that it looks sick, but other times it just seems they look so much hotter when they’re all sweaty and dirty at camp.
[QUOTE=John Mace]
It seems really common for the hotties to look not so hot at the reunion show. And I don’t think it’s just the weight loss on the show. Sometimes the put on so much makeup that it looks sick, but other times it just seems they look so much hotter when they’re all sweaty and dirty at camp.
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There are exceptions. Remember how nice Courtney from China looked when she gained a few pounds for the reunion.
I haven’t seen all seasons of Survivor, and I’m wondering, was there ever a “male alliance”?
(I do recall past attempts at “female alliances”, but the ones that I saw did not make it all the way to the end, like this one did)
I wonder how American audiences would react if a “male alliance” voted off the female contestants one-by-one, once they had the numbers, and we were left with an all-male final four. Somehow, I don’t think it would be as palatable to people as the current all-female final four.
[QUOTE=John Mace]
It seems really common for the hotties to look not so hot at the reunion show. And I don’t think it’s just the weight loss on the show. Sometimes the put on so much makeup that it looks sick, but other times it just seems they look so much hotter when they’re all sweaty and dirty at camp.
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Agreed, but don’t underestimate the weight loss. That plays a big role. And I say this as a guy who is on record preferring the natural look to the made up look.
As far as the battle of the sexes, when they voted out Erik my first thought was “finally!” Finally a group of women managed to hold together without crumbling. This was a long overdue milestone for Survivor.
[QUOTE=Polerius]
I haven’t seen all seasons of Survivor, and I’m wondering, was there ever a “male alliance”?
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Shane was part of an all-male alliance, wasn’t he? And I disagree that an all-male alliance picking off the women would be any more or less palatable to the American public than an all female one picking off the men.
Much hay used to be made about how there’s not one but TWO cable channels devoted to women; imagine the uproar if there were a channel advertising that it was only for men? Well, that argument died on the vine after the debut of SpikeTV, and I imagine your gender-reversal argument would suffer the same fate.
[QUOTE=John Mace]
It seems really common for the hotties to look not so hot at the reunion show. And I don’t think it’s just the weight loss on the show. Sometimes the put on so much makeup that it looks sick, but other times it just seems they look so much hotter when they’re all sweaty and dirty at camp.
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I think that, after being on Survivor, many contestants go home and over-indulge in food, after semi-starving for so long. So they put on quite a bit of weight and their face looks “puffy”, which makes them unattractive.
If you compare how they look at the reunion shows, versus how they look on their pre-competition photos, they look much better in pre-competition than in the reunion.
Compare this photo of Ozzy before Cook Islands, with this photo of him at the reunion.
I remember the same thing happened with Amanda on Survivor China, but can’t find good pictures of her at the reunion.
Anyway, it’s not necessarily the au-naturel look during the competition that makes them look worse by comparison during the reunion.
[QUOTE=Ellis Dee]
Shane was part of an all-male alliance, wasn’t he?
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I didn’t watch that season. Do you mind recapping how that alliance formed, and how successful it was?
We’ll just have to wait and see, if/when this ever comes to pass.
The thing I dislike about the turn of events, is that it will adversely affect future series. The men will (or at least should) form all-male alliances, since they know that the women will form all-female alliances (since they have seen how successful that can be). One thing we have learned is that successful strategies from one season are copied in later seasons.
Then Survivor becomes a battle-of-the-sexes type show, when it is so much better when it’s just a group of contestants.
Imagine if there were the same number of blacks and whites on the show. It would be a better show if they all competed as individuals, and made alliances independent of their race, than if they made an all-black alliance and an all-white alliance and started voting each other off.
Why was this even a needed milestone for Survivor? It’s not like the women were downtrodden and with less rights than the guys on this show, and, finally, managed to put together an alliance that overcame their lower status on the show.
And if this was a long overdue milestone, do you think that an all-male alliance holding together till the end without crumbling is also a long overdue milestone for Survivor? If not, why not?
Hmm, Amanda does look better sans makeup than dolled up, at least to me. What’s funny is that when I see her on the show, no makeup at all, she still looks like she’s wearing a light coat of cosmetics, what with her huge eyes and all. My wife says some women just look like that.
[QUOTE=Polerius]
Then Survivor becomes a battle-of-the-sexes type show, when it is so much better when it’s just a group of contestants.
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I liked it better when they were starving. Hungry people have short fuses.
[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.]
I liked it better when they were starving. Hungry people have short fuses.
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Yeah, but if you take that too far, they have no energy at all, and just sit around. Survivor: Outback was a huge boor because of this, IIRC.
[QUOTE=squeegee]
Yeah, but if you take that too far, they have no energy at all, and just sit around. Survivor: Outback was a huge boor because of this, IIRC.
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True, but they’ve gone too far the other way.
