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This reminds me of a very funny prank pulled on the general public on an American TV show (I don’t know it’s name because I only saw a clip on a British TV show called Tarrant on TV which shows weird world TV) when a man walked around with a clipboard asking women to sign his petition against sufferage. Now plenty of women signed it because they equated sufferage with suffering.
I laughed my ass off for about 5 minutes.
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anyway, as you were…
Hey Sailor-is the Taliban a joke?
(I’m voting for Gore, FWIW).
Trust me. I have seen tons of net loons all the time. There’s some guy who claims to be Nicholas II’s grandson by the Tsar’s illegitimate half-sister (who didn’t even exist) and that he’s being monitored by the CIA and the KGB.
Look at all the crap that’s on usenet.
Please.
I think sailor is right. This is a joke. It’s a pretty pointless joke in my opinion, but it is a joke. The statistics that they use are so clearly selective that I don’t think anybody clever enough to do this would actually believe in these things. I’m not sure why someone would go to such effort to create such a believable hoax, but then I don’t understand the point of a lot of websites.
sailor, where is the place where they give the wrong area code for D.C.? I can’t find it. Also, why do so many of the links go nowhere?
Sailor, you may be right…But I don’t think it quite as a clear as you claim it is. The part about massive federal funding, etc. appeared to me when I read it to be some attempt at a quote from this “feminist Trish Wilson” although their use of quotation marks and such is so weird that it is hard to figure out. So, I interpretted more as what they were claiming that their enemies were saying about them than actual claims that they were making about themselves.
The whole thing is pretty confused and may be some sort of joke, although probably more at the level of “let’s see how many people we can fool by acting as much like one of these wacko groups as possible” than at the level of real parody. The problem is that these wacko far right wing groups are hard to parody because the line between parody and the actual reality is so far off the deep end. For some [bold]good[\bold] parody, see http://www.billionairesforbushorgore.com
Wendell, thank goodness there is someone with some common sense around. What do you mean it is a pointless joke? It’s a hoot! Look at the “Blind dumb feminist minority” falling for it and getting all worked up about it! And I am sure there are a few guys out there who would defend it.
Check out the rest of the site. There’s plenty of material to give you a chuckle. Did you see the page where they say drinking and driving actually saves lives? Does anyone really believe the federal government gives money to groups that promote drinking and driving? Does anyone really believe anyone else would seriously believe drinking and driving saves lives?
>> US GDP per Worker declined by 57% since Affirmative Action was implemented, plunging from three times higher than Japan to one third lower.
Of course it did! The guys who did it must be having a blast. They must be laughing their asses off each time they get emails for or against them. I bet some people even send them money.
All the statistics, numbers, graphs and even the text are quite meaningless. Just a lot of mumbo jumbo. Do people try to understand it? No, their mind is made up already. If the site supports what they already believe, then it must be good. If it contradicts their beliefs, it must be bad. Nobody looks at the evidence on its own merits. If they did they would clearly see it for what it is. They ignore all the warning signs and see in it what they want to see. The “Blind dumb feminist minority” visits that site and the whole thing goes right over their heads ::whoosh!::
I brought up some points: Their home page says:
Is this a red flag or what? not one word of that paragraph can be taken seriously. massive federal funding? to fight radical feminism? plush new HQ? in Father’s Manifesto Square? right in the heart of the downtown business district?
Can Guinastasia or anyone please tell me in what city I might find a downtown business district with a Father’s Manifesto Square?? Maybe it is downtown Kabul??
I am always amazed at how people are willing to believe anything, no matter how clear the evidence against it. People make their voting decisions based on information that is about as fake as this site. We have all seen the polls where they go out and ask people some made up question and depending on how it is phrased people will agree or disagree without regard to the fact that the situation does not exist or that the question is meaningless.
“President Clinton has vetoed a republican bill that would restrict a woman’s right to choose the means of emmasculating their husbands in cases of parental custody divorce or separation” Do you agree or disagree with the President? Not only does the “Blind dumb feminist blonde” agree with the president but she’ll tell you why: “Uh,… because I think he’s right?”
In retrospect I am kind of sorry I said I thought this site was a joke. I could have had much more fun in this thread defending them and arguing in their favor. Come to think about it I think they do have a point. Maybe things were better when women didn’t vote 
I suspect this is a joke too. They couldn’t have so badly presented non-evidence or blatantly false evidence if it weren’t. It could conceiveably be the work of some seriously deranged morons with way too much time on their hands, but I think the more likely explanation is that it’s a joke.
Here is where sailor found a list of phone numbers with mostly incorrect area codes.
Oh my god! women want to kill all men! All men must die . . . . . . . . . NOW!
I also heard about the SCUM Manifesto (Society for Cutting Up Men) but I could not find their web site.
man, deese wimins is dangerous!
WEll, while that site may be a joke, I can almost guarantee that some supporters of the site probably are serious…takes all kinds…
Yes, these people are dead serious: SCUM, Society for Cutting up Men
The only thing I believe she is right is when she says men have pussy envy… If only I had a pussy… 
The SCUM manifesto begins
And it goes on from there. Read it! It’s worth it. Do you think this is a joke? It is being studied seriously in universities Feminist Political Philosophy. This kind of stuff is being studied seriously! Can anyone show me any place where equivalent antimale stuff is taken seriously?
Lord…I honestly can’t tell if this site is a joke or not. Clearly, the references to “massive federal funding” on this page are a joke. However, the slight variant found here leads me to suspect that the whole “world headquarters” bit is a rather heavy-handed attempt at humor (even Paranoid Anti-Semitic Loons have a sense of humor) in an otherwise serious site(s), something along the lines of:
“Oh yes, the radical feminists claim the evil patriarchy is oppressing them–yeah, right, we’re oppressing them–Look, see, the Federal Government just bought us this shiny new office building!”–(“But all true believers understand that of course the evil Federal/One World government is on the side of the feminists, and that it’s the poor, pitiful, White Christian Males who are persecuted by Janet Reno and her fleet of U.N. black helicopters, and that it’s the feminists who have all the federally-financed skyscrapers, while the White Christian Males live in constant fear of jackboot-wearing ATF agents.”)
One reason why I didn’t immediately say “oh, this whole thing has to be a joke” is that I’ve seen these guys before. I lurked on the patriotawareness e-mail list on eGroups for a while, and someone affiliated with this “movement” used to post there. Now perhaps they were just yanking the chains of the paranoid loons on the patriotawareness list as part of their fiendishly complicated prank. The Fathers Manifesto “movement” also has an eGroups list of its own which seems awfully active for a prank–ca. 1000 posts a month. I recognize a lot of the posters from the public archives of the repeal19th list; they were also posters on patriotawareness. Still, maybe it is a prank. Or maybe the FBI set the whole thing up, so as to put all the nuts in one place, where the Feds can keep an eye on them, only the G-men got bored and got a little carried away with the rhetoric, figuring “Oh hell, those crazies will never notice.”
I dunno. I’ve been from one end of the World Wide Web to the other, and I’ve seen a lotta strange things. Too many to say this is a joke. Too many too say it isn’t a joke.
It is clearly a joke.
In any case, check out the SCUM stuff. There is much more radical, fanatical antimale stuff on the net and it is discussed seriously (including universities, check out my previous post) and I do not hear any outrage. I do not see Guinistasia calling them “fuckwads”.
But someone posts a link to this site and everyone gets their panties in a knot. The creators must be laughing so hard.
At any rate, I would like to hear what people have to say about the radical antimale sites. Are they OK?
From the SCUM site:
Yuck.
sailor, if it will make you feel better, I will be happy to call this author a fuckwad. “What a fuckwad.”
But hey, maybe it’s just a joke…There are a lot of loonies out there on all sides of all issues.
I also have to confess that I don’t really see the connection between this lunatic misandrism and the two links you posted earlier. The “All Men Must Die” site (which was apparently defunct or moved) seemed to be just a place for resentful individuals to swap horror stories about ex-boyfriends, and did not seriously advocate androcide. And the site about NOW’s opposition to the so-called “Fathers’ Rights” bill was simply a levelheaded, non-vituperative (though I would not necessarily claim it was right, since I don’t know enough about the issue) argument against a bill that the article claimed would turn out to be detrimental to custodial parents. That’s hardly on a level with petitioning to repeal the Nineteenth Amendment, surely?
Kimstu, that SCUM stuff is being discussed seriously in Women’s Studies in Universities as you can see by the link I supplied. I seriously doubt a similar thing against men would be admissible. Can you supply any evidence of non-fringe groups entertaining such antifemale agenda? In the meanwhile Universities are studying SCUM as it relates to women’s issues.
sailor: Kimstu, that SCUM stuff is being discussed seriously in Women’s Studies in Universities as you can see by the link I supplied. I seriously doubt a similar thing against men [you mean women?] would be admissible. Can you supply any evidence of non-fringe groups entertaining such antifemale agenda? In the meanwhile Universities are studying SCUM as it relates to women’s issues.
Huh? The link you provided earlier was an on-line syllabus for a course in feminist political philosophy that included on its reading list Valerie Solanas’ “SCUM Manifesto”, as well as a number of other feminist works, misandrist and otherwise. Great heavens, sailor, do you think that because academics are studying such works to evaluate their impact on the women’s movement, that they themselves advocate destroying the male sex? Studying something with an anti-male agenda doesn’t mean that you necessarily have an anti-male agenda yourself. Hell, by that reasoning I’d have to believe that the solar system is geocentric because I study medieval astronomy.
And as for people studying works which have an equally virulent anti-female agenda, hell yes, of course they do! Tons of patristic writings, for example, are very misogynistic, as in this example:
And that’s mild compared to what some other theologians had to say about women. And yes, there are dozens if not hundreds of academics seriously studying this misogynist stuff. Doesn’t mean that they personally hate women. So I think you can relax on this one, sailor.
I’m not convinced that the S.C.U.M. Manifesto is being studied seriously anywhere. Just because you can find it referenced on the website of one course doesn’t mean that there’s a significant group of people out there that take the manifesto seriously. You can find Mein Kampf on some course syllabi, but that doesn’t mean anyone subscribes to its beliefs. That website isn’t even the syllabus for a course. It’s just a list of random links that the instructor found on the Internet that she thought her students might consider interesting.
As Valerie Solinas admitted herself, there was never any organization called S.C.U.M. It was just an invention so she could claim to represent someone other than herself. Solinas was, it’s generally agreed, a bleeding nutcase. I don’t think it’s worth worrying about groups with a website and no apparent members, regardless whether it’s Father’s Manifesto or S.C.U.M.
Kimtsu, I have been relaxing all along and laughing quite a bit with this thread. My only point is that when Guinastasia posted that link a lot of people came out witheir knickers in a knot and with plenty to say without even reading the site carefully. At the same time, anti-male positions are much more socially acceptable and nobody seems to care that much. Not even me. I find the SCUM stuff pretty funny to read and I do recommend it.
Anyway, I’ve had a good laugh with all this. I think the creators of that site have achieved what they wanted which is play a joke on a number of people who like to jump to conclussions.
Notice that I had to be VERY insistent before anyone would even consider it might be a joke. It seems the only “Great Debate” here was whether the site was a joke or not.
One more thing: Fuckwad does not show up in my dictionary.
Geeze, Sailor, who pissed in your cheerios?
:rolleyes:
Cheese and rice, I would definetly think that if SCUM was real, that they were “fuckwads”…
I just didn’t happen to see it…
Are you accusing me of being anti-male?
>> Are you accusing me of being anti-male?
Can you tell me what particular expression of mine prompts you to ask this question? I cannot find anything I have said to you could be interpreted this way by any stretch of… never mind. <sigh>
sailor, I don’t buy it. I haven’t read every word on this site, but the fact that it presents pure white-supremicist rantings, without any editorial comment that might suggest it is being used ironically, as well as anti-female ideas seems to me that you’re going to have to come up with something more than an incorrect phone number to prove that it’s ‘clearly a joke’.
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