Sure thing, slick, as soon as you provide a cite from this thread where her opinions on Hell were offered. :rolleyes: Unless I’m mistaken, there are 18 posts in this thread using the word “hell” and only 2 of them belong to Jerseydiamond: 1 saying “That sounds like hell to me” and 1 saying “I talk about hell when asked”.
Your ravings might be more compelling if you raved about things that ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE.
:wally
Masonite
For what it might be worth, there was a thorough discussion of sin, complete with warnings about its consequences, in the Love thread, the thread you said you avoided. I just wanted it to be clear that Tris and I do not avoid the topic or give it short shrift. Love is the facilitation of goodness; sin is the obstruction of goodness. Love and sin are opposites.
The problem I have with Joe and JD is that even a sinner is worthy of love. It’s one of the first things I learned as a Christian. Jesus didn’t eat dinner with the scholars and rabbis all the time, he ate with the prostitutes and the lepers.
I’d love everyone to know the peace and joy I have in Christ, but I’d rather they see how joyful and happy my life is in that Christian walk than WARN them every day that they’re on the highway to hell.
J
For once, I’m not going to rise to your bait, Joe. You know good and well that this is discussion is not about the word “Hell” itself; but your entire concept of Sin and how us unrepentant Sinners are going to Burn in Hell. Hell is being used as a short-hand for the “you’re going to Hell because you’re a sinner” attitude you both project.
That said, you contradict yourself. Her whole “That sounds like hell to me” post is most assuredly an opinion on Hell is it not? So you’ve provided all the Cite needed.
Lib, I’ll go check it out again, and I’m sorry if I suggested misinformation regarding your message (or, for that matter, anyone else’s). I’m just speaking of general trends, areas of emphasis.
No harm. No foul. 
Lib, your Jesus-Jersey post was truely funny.
Masonite
I would suggest reading it. Not only did Lib do a great job of not going over the top, but he put things together quite nicely. I now understand his often used “anthill for a day” statement.
It seriously makes me reconsider the Christianity I left behind.
And then I read posts by the doom and gloom twins and their idiotic sychophant and do not want to be associated with those kind of people in any way, shape or form. Miserable, lowly people who can only feel better by throwing around stones they believe were given to them by divine mandate.
If I wanted to be grouped together with cunts and assholes, I’d get a job at the Oscar Meyer factory. In the meantime, I’m not taking any chances so I’ll stay away from the Jersey shore and Christianity as well.
Amen, JerseyDiamond!
Hey, Homebrew, welcome to the club!
You may not have noticed, but you’re the latest recpient of Joe’s [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2844648#post2841629"]leitmotif?
It goes something like this:
Joe makes comment.
Joe gets called on comment.
Joe lies, denying that he said the original comment and claims the poster can’t read.
Joe sees evidence posted that shows that A) the poster can, in fact, read and that B) Joe lied when he made the denial.
Joe denies it again, getting progressively nastier until eventually, he pouts.
I can’t decide if it’s pathetic or cute.
Maybe a little of both.
Fenris
I think it was Poly or maybe Lib or MAYbe someone else a few months ago who said something very smart to me:
We are not Christians because we are afraid of burning in hell, but because we find joy and peace in the love of Christ.
And I do my best to show that love continuously to others.
I don’t know about religion and/or God–I’m not arrogant enough to think that I’ve got it all figured out.
Something to consider, however: if the primary emotions involved in your version of religion are negative (i.e. fear, hatred, condemnation, etc.) you might want to think about if you’re actually working for the other team. You know, the goat guy who runs around poking people with pitchforks and what-not. My personal opinion is that anyone who worships hatred is actually a follower of Satan regardless of how they justify their actions.
Just thought I’d dump some oil on the fire… 
And what was in your hearts when you spoke that? This is so disgustingly sad.
I’m not sure whatelse to say to you, except while contemplating whether I should or not, I realized something: How thankful I am that He brought Home our little grandson, Dawson and because He did, Dawson will never have known or ever be hurt by people like you.
I’m not saying this with any anger or spitefulness. I, too, will pray for you and one day I know you’ll understand why.
Tris
My heart smiled when Lib read me your story.
His4Ever, please, have a look at the post directly above your last one, not to mention the one by someone who mentioned being a Baptist for 33 years. Can’t you see that what you write here is driving people away? I sometimes get the impression that people like you have the attitude, “Fine. We don’t want such people to be Christians.” I think I know you well enough to know that’s not your attitude.
I have a female friend who’s very outspoken, dresses like a biker, has quite a few tattoos and frequently wears pagan/new age t-shirts. I get the distinct impression that if she walked into your church dressed like that, or even if you were to meet her somewhere, she would not be welcome. Actually, I admit that people at my old church would be a bit put off by her, but I’m pretty sure they’d at least make an effort to make her feel welcome. She’s pagan, and she considers Christians to be a bunch of stuck up, arrogant, holier-than-thou prigs. She knows my religion and she knows me. For me, she’ll make an exception to the rule, and part of my particular ministry in this life is to let her and others know that we’re not all like that. Judgement? Oh, she knows that by Christian standards she’s damned to hell five different ways at least and in her opinion there’s nothing she can do about it because Christians won’t like her anyway. Why should she embrace something which damns her? She is straight, by the way, so it’s not the attitude some Christians have towards homosexuality that damns her, but, I’d guess, the feeling that there’s no place for anyone as fun, funky, disrespectable and downright wierd as she is. Actually, when I was a teenager, I also believed Christianity was no place for wierd people who can’t conform to save their lives, until a small church showed me otherwise.
By the way, the edited version of devotional you posted Christmas week contained the sentence “He who shows mercy and understanding is a traitor to Christ.” in a paragraph all its own. I remember because I found that statement particularly bothersome, yet here you are applauding JerseyDiamond for citing scripture which instructs us to do that very thing. Yes, I see the words “mixed with fear.”
CJ
I think it’s very, very funny that everytime Tris posts, I think to myself “Maybe one day I might believe in God again.” Oh, I don’t feel like I"m missing out on anything. As a matter of fact, I have never been happier. But still, it’s interesting to note that Tris can always make me think that maybe, I’ll do it again.
And then I read everybody else’s posts and think to myself, “Thank Joss I found my way out of that clusterfuck! No wonder I’m an atheist.”
So uh, JD and JC, keep up the good work.
It appears, for what little it’s worth by now, that I spoke too soon.
And it also appears that this thread has gone past the point where those on the “No, show God’s Wrath, not His Love!” side listen at all.
What does it take, like 75 or so replies before it becomes yet another “Why can’t you try to show more love?” “Because YOU never show God’s hate!” trainwreck.
It’s almost amusing except for the fact that the very idea of worshipping a God and having such a strong sense of God’s Wrath and God’s Unholy Mighty Stick of Doom and God’s Coming to Get You makes one wonder how much of that love of God is driven by fear instead of … well, love. And how much of it is driven by the desire to say “HA, I’M SAVED AND YOU’RE NOT! YOU’RE GOING TO SUFFFFFFER!!! GOTCHA YA!”
I’m growing more disturbed by Jersey’s post which His4Ever quoted above.
You accuse him of lying.
You accuse him of not loving, and deceiving others (intentionally or unintentionally) into believing falsely that Lib loves?
You accuse him of being a false teacher?
Lib divides us?
Lib follows mere natural instincts?
[quote]
Lib does not have the Spirit?
You’re referring to Lib, excluding him from this, yes?
These are extremely serious charges, I’m sure you’re aware.
Sometimes I make generalizations of the sorts of things people say, and I may be inaccurate sometimes. So I want to be perfectly clear: in your opinion, poster Libertarian specifically is a false teacher, does not love, preaches lies, does not know God, and therefore does not recognize those (including yourself) who speak the truth of God?
As I said before, no one’s required to post in a particular thread, but if you believe Lib’s a false teacher, why aren’t you in there in GD, battling his lies in the Love thread?
If a man is known by the company he keeps, this is one club I’m proud to be in.
The sycophant speaks!
You madam are a useless idiot, void of original ideas or insightful commentary. You are the very definition of a parasite, “something that resembles a biological parasite in dependence on something else for existence or support without making a useful or adequate return.”
Here is a bible verse for you. Not that I expect it to sink into that closed, shallow, rock-like brain of yours.
Isaiah 32:6
**For fools speak folly, and their minds plot iniquity: to practice ungodliness, to utter error concerning the Lord, to leave the craving of the hungry unsatisfied, and to deprive the thirsty of drink. **
It should be a rule that everytime one of you fucks speak your vile brand of beliefs, someone comes in and states the “326 Rule”. Then all will know that your words are vapid and meaningless and anyone looking for spiritual nourshiment will be left hungry and thirsty.
Which reminds me of another verse
Matthew 25: 41 - 46
**Then he will say to those at his left hand, "You that are accursed, depart from me into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not give me clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, "Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not take care of you?’ Then he will answer them, “Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” **
And before you start jumping up and down about this being proof of “hell”, this is part of a parable. Say it with me, p-a-r-a-b-l-e. It’s an exagerated story used to illustate a point. It’s not to be taken literally, you are supposed to see the meaning behind it. Although people have tried and tried and tried to get you and your ilk [read JC and JD] to see the meaning behind the words, all to no avail. You are all too busy picking up stones while you whisper to each other at the door.
Pepperlandgirl
Psssst. Hey, little girl. Come here and let me talk with you some more.
You have made my spirit soar! Nothing anyone on this board has ever said to me was a bigger thrill.
Thanks. And I mean the silly joke this post begins with. Any time you want me to, I will happily tell you of the Love Christ has for you, in particular. I will leave the matter of your sins, if any, between you and Him. He’s a much nicer guy than I am.
Everyone else move along. We are just talking together. No major philosophy, or theology going on here. Move along.
Tris