Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 2 thread [open spoilers after it airs]

Cameron had uncanny accuracy because her target was unaware of her until her first shot hit. He was in the open and unmoving.

Terminators are NOT that accurate. That’s been demonstrated a couple bazillion times. However, a target at short range standing rock still while he blazes away in two different directions is probably the easiest thing Cameron has ever gotten to shoot at.

-Joe

Yeah, but it was still toooooo easy. If anything, for dramatic effect, she should have brought a rocket launcher.

'Course, then there’s the problem of where she got the rocket launcher—although, with the scene in the weapons cache earlier in the episode, they could have Chekoved her grabbing a LAW or something* on her way out, I suppose.
*How 'bout a PIAT? What, no love for the PIAT? :smiley:

Thanks for giving away the ending to Batman vs. Terminator. :wink:
Really, really good episode. Again a few minor flaws:

  • Cromartie’s poor shooting and weak-ass exoskeleton
  • a few continuity errors between the different stories (John’s bedroom door, for example)
  • Sarah’s misguided cathartic chip-smashing
  • Mexican prisons that can be easily busted out of by two unarmed teens
  • Ellison’s cool and collected introduction to Sarah which seemed to make sense in “Sarah’s story” if he knew she was in there, but didn’t really ring true in “Ellison’s Story” when you knew he didn’t.

But again, I’m digging it. Great story, tight direction, great acting all around. Not much else to say.

I liked Cromartie, but I’m glad they killed him off. It’s time for a new bad guy, and they sent him off in style.

Psst, minor nitpick, but it’s an endoskeleton since it is not on the exterior.

This week is another solid episode with what seems like many episodes worth of character development and several noteworthy scenes. I really liked the scenes with Glau.

Wasn’t the tortoise in the desert part of the Voight-Kampff replicant detection test from Blade Runner?

Yes. Good call.

Where the two Fosters the SAME Foster? Did the young one become the old one eventually? Especially since Derek ripped his fingernails out and all? I still don’t trust his girlfriend.

Symbolic tortoises seem all the rage these days – Heroes has got one, too.

BTW, I can’t really see the problem with terminators eventually going down under enough gunfire – super hard metal or not, it’s still a relatively thin sheet of it protecting sophisticated electronics, and three close-range shotgun bursts are a lot of abuse for that to take.

they’re from different futures. the old Foster isn’t even the one that tortured Derek…

Yep. They were the same person – one older and from the future. One younger from before prison.

Of course there is this strange time travel loop where the reason he goes to prison in the first place is because his future self comes back and does whatever that thing he did with the computerized defense system. So the young one goes to prison. Survives doomsday. Skynet forces him to the dark side. Goes back in time. Does his thing which causes his younger self to go to prison. Where he survives doomsday …

It makes my head hurt.

Except if this is true, why did the old Foster say to Derek at one point “I wondered how long it would take you to remember”?

sorry, i meant that **our Derek **isn’t the one whom the old Foster tortured.

Got it. Thanks for the clarification.

I found the whole Old Foster / Young Foster / Tortured Derek / Not-tortured Derek plot line to be interesting.

And I also liked the not-so-subtle plot lines to reinforce the mistake-making-humanity of Sarah and John compared to the Terminator robots. Sarah sparing the kid at the bowling alley. John falsely believing Ellison about him not recovering Cromartie’s body.

So, are they now going to search for someone with three fingers? :slight_smile:

Well then it seems imperative to shoot them both! What were they thinking?

I agree. At the time I was thinking “just shoot the young Foster and the future Foster problems go away”. Given all the killing and shooting going on in the current time, they certainly don’t seem overly concerned about affecting the future by their actions.

Of course, if they shot the young Foster, then the old Foster wouldn’t have existed and he wouldn’t have been seen and captured by the girlfriend whose name escapes me – making the whole scene inside the cargo container non-existent. But then again, they don’t seem overly concerned about the whole going-back-in-time-and-killing-your-father paradox.

Derek was about to off the young-'un when Jesse “interrupted” by killing the old Chuck Fischer. Makes me think she wanted Fischer in the timeline for some reason. I love how Skynet set a virus and got Fischer protected – a master move! (Nice homage to Bobby Fischer too.)

Jesse’s got Derek under a spell that seems to disrupt proper thought processes. For me that whole episode was Judgment Day:

  1. Sarah haunted by her lousy judgment (not killing the bowling slacker).
  2. John’s poor judgment of Ellison.
  3. Cromartie’s good judgment of Ellison.
  4. Razor-sharp judgment by the Shirleynator.
  5. Has there ever been a better shrink? That guy deserves an award.
  6. Ellison’s judgment is a lot more complicated.

Metal is starting to make chess moves. Gun-crazy Sarah & Co need to switch up their game.

Maybe Jesse was sent back to off Derek because of all the ripples he is setting up for the future? There will still be dozens of prisoners to choose from when the time comes; killing young Fischer only complicates things. By their mucking around, Fischer’s now protected in a nuthatch – where he can really learn how humans tick.

Indeed. Where have I seen that actor before?

Well said.

This plot line of affecting the future adds a nice layer of interest. And complexity. And I like your hypothesis that Jesse is perhaps involved as a direct consequence of the time ripples.

And oops to me. It is Fischer, not Foster. :smack:

First oops was mine :smack::smack: - I think you merely followed suit.
I want my young brain back. (Ooh! There could be a simultaneous Young Brain and Old Brain and I could off the Old Brain and then…never mind.)