Hi, Joan
You’re old school. I dig that. I’m not a huge fan because I don’t enjoy your particular humorist point of view, but I’ve got respect for the way you played it your way so many years ago when comedy was very much a man’s game. I think you did a lot of good in your early years in terms of challenging the status quo and making it better for the women who came after you.
Despite the fundamental respect, it’s been a while since you got any applause from me- simply because you’re not my cup of tea.
Still, you’re not apologizing. Why are you not apologizing? Because it was a JOKE!
THANK YOU!
The joke, meh, wasn’t great- that’s not where you got my applause. It’s the No Apology thing, that’s what’s got the name “Joan Rivers” putting a smile on my face for the first time in a long time.
It seems to me that the joke would be offensive to Germans more than Jews - weird that the backlash is from Jewish anti-hate groups. If she did apologize, wouldn’t she apologize for lumping all Germans in with Nazis?
And if nobody is supposed to make tasteless jokes about the holocaust, it helps the people who don’t want us to remember forever.
It’s super impressive that she isn’t apologizing, because she is a workhorse, and I can imagine her losing some gigs if there is a backlash. The fact that she would miss out on the work that keeps her in the lavish lifestyle that she loves so much makes her decision even more bold.
Isn’t she Jewish? Can’t she tell Holocaust jokes like Black comedians can say the “N” word?
Now if she were Gentile, I could see her being on the defensive.
Jewish as fuckin’ Tevye (although I think the real standard is Mel Brooks).
You understand there is no national licensing body that handles permission for Holocaust jokes, right? Some very serious people say you shouldn’t make jokes like this. I’m with her- first off, there’s nothing wrong with it, and second, Jewish comedians have been making jokes about the Holocaust for at least 50 years. There have been a ton of amazing jokes on the topic over the years, and there’s probably no tragedy in history that’s been so effectively turned into a subject for humor. In fact at this point it’s kind of a given that if a German person or the government of Germany is in the news, somebody’s going to do a Nazi or Hitler-themed joke. It’s fine when they’re funny but often it’s just lazy.
Well, it WAS a joke. An offensive joke but a joke nonetheless. The Onion just insulted someone and tried to pass it off as satire. How are they satirizing the celebrity coverage industrial complex?
There’s already an extremely long thread about this already, but the gist of it is that: 1) people talk a lot of shit about actresses (google the name of the Best Supporting Actress winner for examples), and 2) the coverage of Wallis has been uniformly positive and she seems sweet, so they sent up 1 by inverting 2 and saying something you would think nobody would take at face value.
We are big fans of Fashion Police with Joan Rivers (yes, we are Gay, how did you know?).
She constantly makes truly offensive jokes* - and that is precisely why we watch!
If you haven’t seen the show - check it out on Friday nights on E! Network.
Joan Rivers is a insult, rude/crude joke comedian. She has never been politically correct and never will be. She also makes fun of herself - her age, her multiple plastic surgeries, her aging body - so she doesn’t just pick on others.
Good for her for not backing down. Besides, at this age (79), she should, can and will say whatever the fuck she wants.
“That dress had more yellow than a Chinese foreskin.”
I was very appreciative when Daniel Tosh gave a similar “sorry if ‘up yours’” apology to the woman who interrupted one of his concerts last year to object to his using rape for humor. He’s Daniel Tosh- he “goes there”- if you don’t know that, why are you at his show?
Speaking of MacFarlane, most who know me would agree that I’m not the stereotype of a crotch grabbing misogynist Neanderthal as most would describe that stereotype, but even I want to send the writer of this feminist Jezebel column some leather bound copies of Great Expectations and Oliver Twist, because bitch needs some good long multiple leather bound Dickens. It’s not just that she accuses MacFarlane of making sexist jokes (which he clearly did because… do you know who MacFarlane is? Like him or not, he’s the zenith of offensive humor and he aims it at everybody without regard to gender/race/creed/etc.) but she uses lines like this one:
Yeah… cause if those things are connected. If there’s one thing Family Values politicians get chemically unassisted hard-ons for and that Fundamentalist Muslims fukkim love and are inspired by and then come back and inspire more of, it’s Seth MacFarlane singing “I saw your boobs”. Hell, even I wanted to go out and tell some woman to “get in the car and give me some poontang while I objectify you!” while watching that (well, until Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Daniel Radcliffe came on).
She’s been refusing to apolgize since Carson’s Tonight Show, at least.
“Oh. Please. It’s a joke!”
She’s done stand-up arcs about people wanting her to apologize for different things. How they’ll laugh along as she rips into celebrities or politicians that they don’t like and then choke when she shifts targets to someone they’re fond of.
"And then I made a small comment about the dress that Tricia Nixon had been wearing, and she suddenly stopped laughing. And her eyes turned red . . . "
She will proudly declare that she doesn’t take sides. She has to take any shot she sees open, because she’s said so much about other people that if she dropped an opportunity, if she went easy on someone or some group, that would be taking sides.