Just a minor nitpick, if you please, you don’t need the internet to text.
I have a relatively new, self-built i5 desktop running W10, and an older quad-core desktop running Ubuntu.
Quite frankly, i can’t really relate to the criticisms of W10. I get a bit annoyed with its insistence on installing updates—i liked the old system, when you could choose to review and select or reject updates—but apart from that i notice basically zero day-to-day differences between using W7 and W10. My W10 box can do anything that my W7 computer could do, in almost exactly the same way.
I use my computer for email (Thunderbird), web browsing (Firefox and Chrome), watching movies (VLC and MPC), grading student papers (MS Word; Dragon Naturally Speaking), photo editing and organization (Lightroom and Photoshop), and video editing and encoding (Handbrake, AviDemux, Premiere Pro).
I would estimate that, if you tracked every click and keystroke of my computer usage for one month on W10, and compared it with one month’s worth of usage under W7, you would see basically zero differences. The only really noticeable difference, for me, is that my W10 box is much faster, but that is mainly due to the much newer hardware (i5-6600K; 16GB DDR4 RAM).
One possible explanation for this is that, when i built my new computer, i bought a W7 disc in case i didn’t like W10. I installed W7 and then, before installing any other software, immediately upgraded to W10. Then i installed all my software and set up my system preferences. I think that starting my new computer from scratch with W10 might be one reason that i’ve never run into any of the W10 upgrade problems that some other people describe.
My computer has also never, not once, shut down or restarted on me without my permission. Yes, it requires a restart after some updates, but it has never once done so without giving me the chance to delay the restart. When it does give me this opportunity, my usual habit is to set the restart time for the middle of the night (say, 2 a.m.), and then just leave the computer on when i go to bed. That way, it updates and restarts while i’m asleep, and i come back to an updated computer, ready to work, in the morning.
I find Microsoft annoying in a whole variety of ways, but W10 has been, for me, a stable and efficient and reliable operating system that lets me do all the things i need to do quite easily. Same with WinXP and W7 before it (i skipped Vista).
Well, OK, but like I said - I don’t text, so I wouldn’t know. My phone is not capable of sending or receiving text messages so I know little to nothing about them.
What do they do, use the cell tower network?
No, they use telegraphy.
At least the Linux forums have solutions that work…by contrast, I’ve yet to find a permanent fix for that pesky Start button issue, although I can find plenty of other people who have similar complaints.
I bought W7 for real money on the basis that MS told me they’d support it for a long period. They don’t want to do that now? Tough shit. They have to. Cry me a river.
Plus now you are whining on behalf of MS about them having to provide support, but upthread you were talking about how people could go to Linux but would then get no support. You can’t have it both ways.
You clearly missed that bit about my system being stable, and the OP’s trouble with stability on going to 10.
And making shit up about “abuse” is just desperate fantasising.
Never got to W10. It was 8.1 that caused the crash.
If you have 7, you don’t need to go through 8/8.1 to get to 10.
In fact, back when i did it (when the upgrade was free), you could actually do a fresh-from-scratch install of 10 without even installing 7, as long as you had a valid key for 7.
True, but the OP says that they started on 8, and you do have to upgrade to 8.1 to upgrade to Windows 10.
Just because you lie doesn’t mean I do. I would not say what I said if it weren’t true. Why don’t you actually read up on the problems people had with Windows 10, instead of pretending they aren’t true so you can feel superior?
Yes, it took at least two hours to install the update, and then at least two hours to get everything back the way I had it, including having to reinstall some software (the same software I had to reinstall after upgrading to Windows 10 in the first place.) Cortana has jack shit to do with it.
The upgrade would uninstall any program marked as not compatible with Windows 10, even though it clearly was compatible or it wouldn’t still be installed. It was a big deal in that first 4GB big update (a concept that shouldn’t even exist if you’re doing rolling updates).
I do actually have fewer special drivers on Linux–because the default drivers often do what I need. I still have my GPU driver, however, and it works even through updates. Updates that happened in the background while I was still working.
And then, when I restarted, the boot took just as long as before, because the upgrade was actually done. No sitting and waiting for a huge update.
Microsoft rolled out Windows 10 without making updates as painless as they should’ve been. There is no reason that updates need to happen when the computer is not in use. And really no reason you have to restart for most of the updates they do. They just won’t write files until the computer restarts, unlike Linux which writes new files in place while keeping the old ones as long as they are still in use.
Yes.
I can assure you it is.
Is this for wood working?
I’m sorry that’s the case, it seems like a user interface could automatically compensate and it wouldn’t even have to be custom coded for every situation at all.
No, but take a look at how Podesta’s and Powell’s emails were hacked.
This is what I say to the credit card company every time they force me to call to complete a charge. Assholes.
Nobody gives a shit about the tracking data other than advertisers. It’s anonymous, what does it hurt?
Exactly, and it’s good advice to start from scratch if you are having issues. I guarantee you all these people complaining aren’t properly backing up their data and are scared to death of reinstalling their 1990s era software.
I would try to start from scratch. Or switch to a Mac.
It’s 7 years old! You paid $30 for an upgrade disc 7 years ago and you want them to support it indefinitely! You want them to employ extra software engineers, help desk, quality assurance, project managers, etc. because you can’t stand getting a free upgrade to W10. Mr. Grumbly end-user doesn’t ever want to be satisfied does he?
- I don’t whine.
- There are a lot of enthusiastic people supporting Linux. I just find it boring having to go search how to do this or that thing on Linux. I do like the software repository though. I still utilize it through Raspbian.
You can go from 8 to 10, 7 to 10, 8.1 to 10, 7 to 8 to 8.1 to 10, 7 to 8 back to 7 to 10.
My superiority is just fact. I don’t feel it in any particular way. I just bring it here to educate the common folk who remind me of my 2 month old when they cry uncontrollably because they had to restart their pc. I mean, in the past 20 years look how less frequently you need to restart your pc for any old reason. I used to do it for just about everything from installing software, to drivers, to updating the system.
This has not been my experience. I rarely do updates yet all the stuff on my laptop works just fine. Maybe I’m just not using sensitive software or something …
One of your problems is that you assume and consequently say stupid things. I paid full price for it (not an upgrade) 4 years ago, in 2012. It was still on retail sale in 2014. It is currently due to end support in 2020. Yes I expect MS to mean what they say. I expect them to continue support for well more than 2 years post the conclusion of their retail sales. Yes if they say support will continue to 2020, I expect support to continue to 2020.
People (like me, at least) buy MS stuff because of the implicit promise it is an enterprise grade product with a very long lifecycle, and that they keep their promises. This shit you spout about me somehow being undeserved of what support I get from MS is fanboi drivel, not fact.
Dribble noted. But you seem to be avoiding the point I raised…
We do a variety of things with it.
It could if the asshats designing it gave a damn. Some software is very supportive - Blizzard’s World of Warcraft is very accommodating in many ways (say what you will about the rest of it) allowing the user to adjust the screen for various types of colorblindness, add additional text to mouse-overs and tool tips, and increase the size of text appearing on screen. On the other hand, I once had to stop participating in a writing critique and editing group because their redesigned web portal had text that, to me and others with my form of colorblindness, had text indistinguishable from the background (about 10% of their participant base had this issue, they later offered an alternate portal with a usable-to-us color scheme).
Microsoft is between those two extremes. When they bother they can provide very good adaptations. The problem is, they often don’t bother.
It’s not even a matter of coding - most of the time you just have to avoid certain color combinations. There is a bunch of information out there, available for free, for designers. The problem is that people don’t bother to use it.
See - this is why our computers with business and sensitive information on them are simply not connected to the internet.
It’s “anonymous” until someone wants more information, or hacks the system. And I don’t want advertisers knowing more about me than necessary. This is why I don’t patronize businesses that require I give my zip code or e-mail to make a purchase. I am tired of advertisers spamming my e-mail, which I got for my use and not theirs. I don’t want more junk mail (although I don’t think that’s the thing it use to be). I don’t want unsolicited phone calls from strangers.
What’s the harm? Well, a classic is when advertisers find out that a woman is pregnant and start sending stuff to her. Now, imagine what happens to a woman who miscarries around month four, but continues to receive for months happy-chirpy stuff about new babies and toys and cute onesies and diaper and formula coupons, every day reminding her about the loss of her baby… you think that is harmless? That it doesn’t cause pain?
I have received two ads seeking contributions to various cancer societies that start with “as someone who has a loved one with cancer you know the importance of…” Well fucking thank you for reminding me that my dad died of lung cancer, I had forgotten that, and really appreciated that reminder. :rolleyes: How the hell did you get my name and that information?
Yeah, sure, data collected is “anonymous”. :rolleyes: It’s “harmless”.
There’s also the annoyance that “helpful” software on search engines now assumes that I’m NOT looking for something actually new. “Your last 10 searches related to X! Here’s more X!” But I don’t want more X, I’m looking for Y. “Yes, yes you do want X! Your last 10 searches were for X! That’s why the results with Y are on page 54!” I clean out the caches/cookies/history a lot.
Oh, and mapping software - “you want to start from here! You’re actually located here! You need to start your trip from here!” - no, actually, even though I’m sitting in Gary, Indiana I actually DO want to plan a trip from Boston, MA to Macon, GA for shits and giggles.
And the Microsoft champ - “You seem to be writing a letter - I can help you with that!” No, you can’t, die paperclip DIE! No, I’m not actually writing a letter. Fuck you, Clippy. And if I was writing a letter I wouldn’t need your help - I was writing letters on my own when your programmer’s father was still in diapers, I can still do it on my own.
Not at all - we have a regular back up program we follow faithfully. We’ve had complete computer failures, but not loss of vital data because we do back ups. And we have no fear of reinstalling software. We do, however, have concerns with an “upgrade” that makes our software we need to run our stuff useless. We don’t have thousands of dollars to spend on running around by new versions of everything, or getting custom coding done for legacy systems.
We solve this in part by keeping older systems unconnected but still running our stuff.
Any new computers we get will probably be Win10 from the get-go, but that doesn’t mean we want to be forced into anything today. What’s the damn hurry?
There’s no such thing as a free lunch. A major corporation giving away their product? What’s the catch? Really - what’s the motivation here? Microsoft has never been kind or generous as a company, so WTF?
As Princhester said, promises were made. The customer base expects those promises to be kept and planned accordingly. Saying “we’re dumping that promise, but here’s nice new shiny software!” does cut it when the new software is incompatible with the software we are using to run our business. It’s not “free” if we subsequently have to spend thousands to make other software compatible with it.
So Microsoft has to continue to employ people to maintain legacy systems as long as promised. So fucking what? Is something wrong with employing people? Software programmers and customer service reps in Bangalore need to eat and support their families, too.
Windows 7 is supported until 2020. So this really isn’t an issue. Anyway, my fire is burning out. I can’t overcome all this reasonableness when I came to be brutally insulted while being rude and unnecessarily argumentative.
I am also conceding because I had to edit my group policy settings to shut off Cortana instead of merely flipping a graphical switch. That annoys.
I stand by my point that forcing the updates is mostly out of necessity of attempting to build an OS that is on such a large number of machines. I bet about 90% of the problems with updates is user error or a system that is in need of a cleaning. People should take care of their stuff like Broomstick or mhendo while not be over the top cranky like BigT, Jeep’s Phoenix, or Princhester.
She had changed the password weeks before the printer issue, after W10 elbowed its way into her computer; I only new about the colorful password when I moved the printer from my workroom to her desk.
So yes, its about MS and the way they do business.
FWIW, even with the latest drivers her laptop can’t use the scanner function on the printer, which works just fine on my W7 PC.
Make and model of the printer please.
I posted earlier that I haven’t had any problems with Win10, but I have had to fix this annoying-ass issue for more than one person.
My last go-around with this, I downloaded a full windows update for offline installation, and then installed it, which fixed all issues with the start menu. Not only was the start menu hashed, but standard windows update was also borked. Whatever is going on with this is definitely a fuckup on the part of MS.
I haven’t had any issues with hardware not being compatible, so far. And Inbred is right, if your hardware is not compatible, driver issues are the fault of the hardware manufacturer.
Inbred, at what point did I indicate that I don’t “take care of my stuff”? Microsoft developed a bit of a reputation for occasionally releasing updates that caused serious damage to systems…that’s why I always waited a bit before installing a new update. Windows 10 makes this very difficult, since you can now only direct Windows to install the update during off hours unless you access those settings as the administrator.
Also, it’s 2016…I should not have to perform a fresh installation of an operating system over an interface problem. I didn’t do a damn thing to cause this, and I’m quite capable of keeping up with routine maintenance on my computers. Why are you so convinced that the only people who “whine” about computer problems must be people with no computer skills?