I will also say that while that’s the motivation for Butcher and Hugh, it’s not for any other of “The Boys” or the CIA agents. It’s just something that sort of ties Butcher and Hugh together… where Hugh can move forward from it, but Butcher can’t. Mother’s Milk, Frenchie, the CIA woman who recruits Butcher (Marjory?) have different reasons.
Yeah, but it’s her central conflict.
Butcher thinks she was raped, but in the show the video evidence leans towards consensual. We might find out next season.
Annie? That’s sexual harassment, not rape. She could have walked out, but then Wave threatened to have her tossed out of the seven. It’s still being a complete jerk nad it could be sexual assault, depending.
Coercing someone to perform sex acts is a form of sexual assault.
And at another point full on rape was attempted, I believe.
First, I’m talking about character motivation, and what Butcher thinks is his character motivation.
Second, the video evidence shows her walking professionally and poised into Homelander’s office, then coming out much later disheveled and wide-eyed. She leans against the wall, looks around, realizes she’s holding one shoe, puts it on, and walks off. It’s Episode 7, 32:30. There’s no way we’re supposed to understand that scene as evidence that she wasn’t raped.
It is not a defense to a rape allegation to say, “After I threatened her livelihood, she was down with it.”
The FBI’s definition of rapeincludes oral rape:
[Moderating]
This is not the place for a debate on precisely what constitutes precisely which sex crime. Drop the hijack.
(and a thank you to the poster who reported this hijack promptly, so it could be nipped in the bud. I came in here dreading a three-page trainwreck of back-and-forth)
OK. I loved this series and I loved Preacher. What graphic novel should I read to prepare me for the next awesome show? I’ve been reading East of West, which was optioned by Amazon, and I’m loving that. What are some others?
I think you’re being a little loose with the word ‘obvious.’
Yes, I’m not surprised that Homelander’s kid was alive. There was nothing to make that obvious though.
I was a little surprised to see that Butcher’s wife was alive. Homelander’s demonstrated cruelty through the first 6 or 7 episodes make it most believable that he could have killed Butcher’s wife to cover up his rape.
The final episode doesn’t show if Butcher’s wife was raped or not; but it’s looking like she was not.
And finally I was very surprised that Homelander, for all his faults, wasn’t the reason his wife disappeared, and I thought he actually showed a little humanity by making sure he saved Butcher. Homelander wanted Butcher to know he wasn’t the villain in this case, and even brough him to show him that his wife was still alive.
You really think all of that was obvious? I don’t think so.
Have you read The Sandman by Neil Gaiman? Netflix is supposedly going to be making a series.
Well, there was that one guy whose penis snapped off inside the Ice Queen when she climaxed…
MM seems like a decent enough human being.
I thought the same thing; it should have just blown guts out his orifices. That said, the manner in which he exploded wasn’t a stupid inconsistency; it was deliberately a parallel to what happened to Robin, a visual cue that Hughie was engaging in an act of revenge and in so doing had the blood on his own hands.
NITPICK: “Translucent,” not “translucence.”
The cool thing about the series, of course, is the fact that it’s the most realistic portrayal of what a world with superheroes would be that I’ve ever seen. Ofr course they’d be dicks.
The fact Vought creates the superheroes kind of robs the series of what would be one of its most interesting question; if superheroes were naturally occurring, would Vought not maybe be doing the world a favor? They seem to keep superheroes under some degree of control; they’re dicks, but if they were just running free of any sort of obligation they might be WAY worse dicks. Homelander is legitimately a terrifying thing; it’s like if Superman were Zod and there wasn’t a good Superman to stop him. All superheroes could be tyrants. They’d rule the normal people.
I think it also shows a nice progression as Vought gets their shit together with regards to raising them. From complete psychopath literally grown in a lab Homelander, to more normal douchebaggery like The Deep and A-Train which mostly mirrors spoiled celebrities and sports stars, to just a basic decent human in Starlight. Given a normal upbringing they can turn out ok.
I liked the show, bit every time I see this thread title I hear/see that damned volleyball scene from Top Gun.
That always sounds so hifalutin’. The real big problem, and one which this series does touch up on, is that power doesn’t make you less of an imbecile if you happen to be one.
That’s true. But power DOES corrupt.
Consider Homelander. Every single human being on the planet today has to respect authority to SOME degree because, ultimately, you can be imprisoned or killed. Even dictators can find themselves on the wrong end of the gun or the noose if they don’t make enough people in their circles happy. All of us, every person who has ever lived, has their own physical vulnerability to consider in our behaviour with other people. Even the powerful, or else they end up like Julius Caesar, Muammar el-Quaddafi, or Benito Mussolini.
But Homelander, from what we have been told, is totally invulnerable; he has no weakness of any kind. Not even Superman’s weaknesses of kryptonite and loved ones you could hurt. Nothing is stopping him from treating the human race like ants. It is hardly unsurprising he is a total sociopath, and his reputation, which his ego values, is really the only limitation on his behaviour. His power makes him hold everyone in contempt, value human life not at all, and commit hideous acts just for the hell of it. He is a billion times likelier an outcome of Godlike superpowers than is Superman.
I was at DragonCon this weekend and went to The Boys panel with Karl Urban and Jack Quaid. And they indicated that Season 2 was going to be a good deal more fucked up than Season 1. So we got that going for us.
Why? Not every King or US President has been a dick. I mean, yes, Power corrupts- some.
MM?
Mother’s Milk. The prison worker with a daughter. His buddies call him MM.
Kings and Presidents haven’‘t always been dicks, no. But… I mean, no offense, but didn’t I already write about that? They can’t be too dickish or someone hangs them. A head of state is powerful but he can stiil be sent to prison or shot. There is a limit on anyone’s power. Even a king. Ask Louis XVI or Charles II. Even Kim Jong-Un has to keep his inner circle generals happy to some extent or they’'ll arrange a little accident. He’s flesh and blood.
There is no check on Homelander’s power, and not much on other superheroes.
Question without names because it’s been a few weeks and I’m terrible with names:
The drug used to control the supes is blue, right? And in one scene, the lady boss paints her nails blue and then basically snuggles Homelander like a baby, right? And he’s sucking on her nails or something?
I kept expecting that to come up, like she was drugging him through her nail polish, but nothing ever happened with it.
The drug doesn’t control them, it makes them and boosts their power.