Nonescape from Malheur?
Tarpman escaped.
An Oregon state legislator has introduced a bill to require the Bundyistas to pay over $3 million in repayment of the state’s costs.
Wouldn’t that be a bill of attainder? It directly targets individuals, without proper generality?
Also ex post facto? They’re already committed the crimes; a law, now, to punish them for it is against the rules…innit?
By the way, here is the youtube link to Bundy’s Thursday statement being played by his lawyer (cued to the beginning of him speaking – wind it back if you want to hear the lawyer whine). We have all seen the statement’s main content, I just present this link so that the brave among you can view the lame-ass slideshow that accompanies it.
They would pass the bill in the form of a Joint Resolution, which would not codify it but work as a specific action by the legislature. One example of a (Congressional) JR would be a declaration of war.
Kind of inappropriate to call Redwood Summer “anarchy” in this context, and especially to compare it to the Bundy gang’s anti-public-lands motives. Redwood Summer pushed more land into public ownership and federal BLM oversight.
What on earth are Bundy’s lawyers playing at? They are simply making him look like even more of an idiot. Most lawyers give the good advice to their clients to shut the hell up.
All I can figure is:
- they are going for either an insanity defense, or hoping he can go for an appeal based on incompetent representation
or
- The lawyers are enjoying the money coming to them through a go-fund-me site,and are simply putting on a show for the rubes to keep the dollars flowing their way.
Are Bundy’s lawyers similar wackos? It seems like Bundy wouldn’t be cooperating with his lawyers unless they had the same beliefs as him.
Are they even real lawyers? Maybe they’re like that guy who thinks he’s a judge.
Her tone of voice indicates to me that she is sympathetic to him and his “cause”. She continually tries to frame the incident and his “cause” as a political protest, even referring to him as a “political prisoner”.
No way I’d want this lady to represent me, not even for a parking ticket.
ETA: Thanks for posting the link, eschereal.
I’m starting to think that Bundy’s lawyers are actually worthless crap.
Apparently one of them was nearly disbarred after he took an 18 year old to dinner and bought her wine. No biggie? Oh, he’s married. Not our business? Well, he had just been the prosecutor in her DUI case. Which resulted in her having zero legal tolerance for consuming alcohol. Major douchebag.
Plus, there is the little detail that one of Bundy’s lawyers was apparently confused about what a grand jury indictment meant. Kept wondering why he and his client were not at the grand jury. Didn’t think that was fair. ??? Is he aware of how these things work?
I would personally love it if Bundy’s law-talking-people try some “Freeman on the land” shit with the federal judge.
His name wouldn’t be Vincent Gambini by any chance?
We’ll see if he claims that Bundy was just a “yout”.
Maybe it was Eucharistical. Did they have little crackers? He must have been trying to [del]fuck[/del] save her.
These guys are really into drawing up fake “charges”, holding fake “citizens’ courts”, etc. Basically, it’s like one of those Silver Age comics where the Joker would capture Batman and Robin and put them on “trial” for interfering with him and beating him up.
Laws directed at specific people and past conduct can be fine so long as they are not punitive in nature.
I’m starting to think he could tolerate no other kind. Any competent lawyer would have zero patience with his Freeman/SovCit/Posse Comitatus pseudolaw bullshit, and would tell him, “That’s fine when talking with your friends, but whatever you do, don’t ever mention any of this nonsense in front of a judge, it never flies.”
Either the U.S. or Britain was going to STEAL the land, you mean. Now you’re back on track. THE POINT is that assholes who occupy land and claim it was stolen from them when it was stolen from someone else are assholes.
But wouldn’t presenting them a $3 million dollar invoice be considered punitive?
Is there anywhere in the US where people are charged for the state costs associated with their offenses? I’d expect the Bundy’s to have to make restitution for any damage done, but charging them for OSP overtime and donut runs smacks quite a bit of the information retrieval charges in Brazil.