Because crows can fly straight while roads twist around. I mean, duh. On the other hand, they’d find a lot more sites of interest to crows and ravens (mostly dead cows) along the way than a person would, so they’d take as much time getting there.
](30 minutes of chaos: Witness details events of Finicum shooting - oregonlive.com)
Interesting to me that she says both she and Ryan Bundy had cameras running during the drive from Roadblock #1 to Roadblock #2, as well as during the time that Finicum exited the truck and was shot. I wonder if those recordings will back up her account?
ETA: Also, yesterday it seems that one of the Final Four uploaded a video showing someone taking a joyride in a government truck. I’m sure that will get added to the list of chargeable offenses, so hey, smart move, guy.
Let’s not forget that you used to post absolute lies about Mormonism to try to make it seem less kooky. You’ve also got it mixed up, as you often do with lots of things, that I received a Mod Note and not a warning, and it was not for explicitly insulting you. But you do have a good memory for something that happened 12 years ago.
Fortunately not that many of the crazies act out. If you ever want to see how many crazies there are, check outthe Internet.
She’s another Mormon nut, a would-be prophetess who also predicts the end of the world. She gave seminars at countless Mormon churches.
Simply google LDS preppers and you get lots of hits.
So, yes. You do get the crazies in Mormondom. Lots of them. Fortunately, most don’t wave guns. Oh, yeah. And then there is Glenn Beck.
Weak. The fact that some of the people who responded to the Mormon leaders are not LDS does not negate the fact that the Bundys, and other Mormon nuts are being driven by Mormon theology.
For anyone with far too much time on their hands, there are a couple of good podcasts showing the connection between Mormonism and the Bundy-led movement. The Vanilla Isis Yeehawd and Militant Mormonism by Infants on Thrones[sup]1[sup] which actually gives a pretty good overview of the situation, including a sympathetic rundown of the background to the Bundy ranch standoff (which shows some of the problems with the BLM) and why the ranchers in Oregon shouldn’t have been sentenced to five years in prison. And of course, it goes over the connection with Mormonism.
This last one is interesting because Brother Thornton explain how he did the ritual Mormon curse on government leaders.
Nay. If people think that Mormons are weird now, they should have seen what was openly taught back in the early days. There’s far too much stuff on line, but no one should miss this one.
The LDS church seems obsessed with appearing mainstream, and even gets recognized for its efforts.
The point relevant to this is that there are plenty of Mormons who still remember the old church and pass that along. There are also many who find these old teachings and break away. This is what keeps fueling the polygamist sects and the Bundy types.
You’re a convert and you simply don’t know the history of your church. Don’t feel bad most active Mormons don’t really know anything about the church outside of the sanitized, watered down versions passed off these days; those who studied their way out know much more about the history.
From your late president Ezra T. Benson (from back in the 1960s when he was an apostle):
This is not a 72-hour emergency kit for earthquakes. This is for when God gets really, really pissed with you guys. The Mormons. Then he’ll come after all of us wicked folks.
The call from the church was first to store several years, then it went to two years, then one year and now what, 90 days plus a year if you can?
However, as is clear from this and many, many other teachings of the prophets, the purpose was clearly for the end times when God will “cleanse the church.” Just because the church has gone mainstream, and you personally don’t know about it, doesn’t mean that it wasn’t what the Bundys heard growing up.
Why did all of these members heed the call from that whacky Mormon “prophetess?” 'Cuz the apocalyptic teachings are part of the Mormon DNA. There are bookcases with books by doomsday Mormon leaders. Mormonism started as an apocalyptic cult and remained an apocalyptic cult until the end of the 19th century. It wasn’t until Jesus didn’t come by that 1880s that Mormonism pushed back the warning for a while.
The quote from Benson was typical of what was being said in the 1960s and is why I said that Mormonism is trying to mainstream.
Actually, their Sunday school teachers shouldn’t have listened as carefully to the church leaders. People like Elder Holland another LDS apostle when discussing the necessity of Nephi a prophet in the Book of Mormon unnecessarily killing a drunk, defenseless man by cutting off his head:
This incident was given by the Lafferty brothers for justification for killing their sister-in-law and her baby. Jon Krakauer won praise for his account of the story and how the violent beginnings of Mormonism contributed to their brand of evil.
The church could disavow this story. Tell the members that they should never chose violence, even if they believed that God was directing them. Especially if they believed that God was directing them. Yet, that gory tale is held up by the church as a shinning example of doing what God directs you to, up to killing helpless people if you have a feeling that God wants you to.
The problem is that to these people who are aware of the past teachings of the church, and then hear these messages. There’s nothing which contradicts the previous teachings.
Here again, the church could disavow the old teachings, and could turn instead to peace. Yet, they continue the apocalyptic dire warnings which gives people like the Bradys and preppers ammunition. The solution would be simple. Receive a new revelation that the government is not to be challenged. A one-paragraph press release is nothing compared to the hundreds of sermons which the Bundys can cite for their point of view.
Which does nothing to address in insanity of having an apostle honor the very banner which Bundy Sr. used in the treason, and then calling on people to run to that cause.
Of course, the apostle couldn’t be faulted for not knowing that this would help encourage Bundy Jr. to continue the mission, right? It’s not like the prophets and apostles have any special hotline to some sort of being who could know the future or anything.
This was pointed out in one of the podcasts. The Mormon church is speaking in code, talking about the lack of freedom. What they mean is that they want to continue their homophobic campaign which has a real human cost. A majority of home youth in Utah are LGBT and most are from highly religious, read Mormon household. The volunteers who work with these people say each speech that the leaders make against gays results in more of these youth getting kicked out of their homes. The latest anti gay policy changes introduced late year has resulted in a sharp increase in Mormon LGBT youth suicide.
The connection to the Bundys is that the church doesn’t want to seem quite so antigay and couch their hatred in speeches which the Bundy types believe is supporting them. The hens come home to roost.
And when the group’s doctrine is clearly inflammatory, it should be changed so that the whacko can’t utilize it. Whatever else, the wingnut’s banner should not be cited as an example to the faithful and people told to run, not walk to follow it.
Your answers are not factual. I have no idea if it comes from ignorance to a desire to whitewash the past, but it requires constant fact checking. It’s a pity you don’t seem to have access to google or you could find out some of these things yourself.
