The Bundys are at it again.

[Grey]

They tend to engage in what a Canadian judge has called organized pseudolegal commercial arguments - you can read his thoughts here http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.pdf

A strange but common OPCA concept is that an individual can somehow exist in two separate but related states. This confusing concept is expressed in many different ways. The physical person is one aspect of the duality, the other is a non-corporeal aspect that has many names, such as a “strawman”, a “corporation”, a “corporate entity”, a “corporate fiction”…

[eschereal]

I am a sovereign citizen: that means I get to make up whatever I think my laws should be and you must respect that. As well as honor whatever parts of your laws that I think pertain to me. I am a democracy. Of one, yes, but still a democracy. Democrazy is good.

[Robot_Arm]

@Chimera

http://koin.com/2016/07/28/ryan-bundy-wants-1m-to-be-defendant-or-judge/?ICID=ref_fark&ICID=ref_fark&ICID=ref_fark&utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark

FTA;

Ryan Bundy declared himself sovereign from state and federal government and wanted to be paid $1 million to accept “the role” of defendant or inmate.

Ryan Bundy said he does not accept the role as defendant or inmate without fair and just compensation of $1 million. He also said he is willing to play the “role” of “judge” or “bailiff” for $1 million.

He also demanded $100 million if he has to face a judge for the conspiracy matter related to the takeover and occupation of the federal facility.

Okay, now how much is he willing to pay to all the people who took the role of “can’t use the wildlife refuge while some fucking idiots are holed up there”?

[davidm]

“Ryan Bundy Declares Himself An ‘Idiot’ Not Subject To US Courts”

Ryan Bundy Declares Himself An 'Idiot' Not Subject To US Courts

Bundy, who is representing himself in the conspiracy case against the refuge occupiers, declares himself an “idiot of the ‘Legal Society’” and not subject to federal law, according to the documents.

“I, ryan c, man, am an idiot of the ‘Legal Society’; and; am an idiot (layman, outsider) of the ‘Bar Association’; and; i am incompetent; and; am not required by any law to be competent,” Bundy wrote in a motion filed to U.S. District Court Judge Anna Brown.

I actually agree with him on something!
But maybe not. I suspect that he’s using "idiot’ in some nonstandard way.

[Reyemile]

In Bundy’s worldview, the government/court system only has sovereignty over you if you allow it. However, in Bundy’s worldview, you don’t have to consciously allow it–you can accidentally bind yourself to the laws by something so simple as accepting a glass of water from the court.

By declaring himself an “idiot” at law, Bundy is attempting to disavow anyone from “tricking” him into binding himself to the law by technical language. After all, he’s disavowed the court but they are still holding him and trying him; he must be using his magical Sovereign Citizen phrase book incorrectly somehow.

[watchwolf49]

Doesn’t him declaring himself and idiot prove he’s not? If he was really an idiot, he’d welcome standing trial.

“That’s quite a Catch”

[davidm]

In other words, he’s using the word “idiot” in an idiotic manner.

[Boyo_Jim]

But perhaps ironically, he’s right in every sense of the word.

[davidm]

Personal security for Oregon Governor Kate Brown has been increased because of Malheur related threats.

Threats spark heightened security for Gov. Kate Brown

After a series of hostile threats this year — beginning with the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupation and continuing after Brown called for tighter gun rules in Oregon — the governor’s security detail has quietly taken steps to increase protection levels.
…
And while threats against Oregon governors aren’t new, Brown’s staff said it’s taking the increasingly aggressive tone of recent threats seriously enough to keep in regular contact with the FBI.

“Instead of voicing passionate opinions or dissent as part of exercising free speech, they express intent to cause her harm, ugly threats of physical violence and death,” said Kristen Grainger, Brown’s communications director. “Potentially dangerous individuals have attempted to breach security perimeters on more than one occasion.”

Grainger and others say Brown’s role in calling for an end to this winter’s armed occupation near Burns, along with her recent backing of three gun-control bills, appear to have ramped up threats.

[akennett]

@davidm

Personal security for Oregon Governor Kate Brown has been increased because of Malheur related threats.

And this just weeks after she announced plans to reduce the ability of Oregonians to provide their own security.

[Colibri]

@akennett

And this just weeks after she announced plans to reduce the ability of Oregonians to provide their own security.

How many of them have received recent death threats?

[akennett]

@Colibri

How many of them have received recent death threats?

Believe it or not, I don’t have statistics on that.

I do, however, know that this is intolerable to me, as an Oregonian, when I live in a city (Portland) that is unwilling to combat the criminal elements within its border, yet feels the need to further restrict my ability to defend myself even beyond the measures taken by the state.

[Monty]

@Chimera

Ryan Bundy declared himself sovereign from state and federal government and wanted to be paid $1 million to accept “the role” of defendant or inmate.

Ryan Bundy said he does not accept the role as defendant or inmate without fair and just compensation of $1 million. He also said he is willing to play the “role” of “judge” or “bailiff” for $1 million.

He also demanded $100 million if he has to face a judge for the conspiracy matter related to the takeover and occupation of the federal facility.

You know, the government really and truly wants to pay that moron, er, SC, but there’s a huuuge problem: the SC doesn’t recognize the government and the government is the only thing backing the money; therefore, any money paid to said SC is worthless.

At least that has more logic than any other thing that jackass and his fellows have advanced.

[Reyemile]

@akennett

when I live in a city (Portland) that is unwilling to combat the criminal elements within its border

Citation needed.

[Rick_Kitchen]

Portland’s crime rate rose in 2014, FBI says, but city still safer than most with similar populations

[akennett]

@Reyemile

Citation needed.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/hales-to-delay-springwater-homeless-sweep-to-september-1/282826414

Here’s one example. The Mayor puts off clearing out the “campers” along a public space (an action he was only set to take after months and months of being called out on his inaction on this problem). Said homeless campers include a multitude of criminals, including rapists, other sex offenders, major drug addicts, and assorted thieves and other criminals.

It’s gotten so bad that the Springwater corridor (the public space in question) is being abandoned by the citizens of the city because of the problems these “campers” cause. This has caused the cancellation of children’s summer programs in the area and many who would use the path for recreation or commuting to abandon it – or to refuse to use the path unless armed.

[akennett]

@Rick_Kitchen

Portland’s crime rate rose in 2014, FBI says, but city still safer than most with similar populations

Sorry for the double-post, but…
Yeah, largely I have no problem with the crime rate in this city. Even when the rate increases, it’s mostly property crime, rather than violent crimes against people. However, there are certain issues that are causing major headaches, as outlined in my other post, that cause major problems.

[Count_Blucher]

@Grey

Apparently if you don’t capitalize or know how to use a semi-colon magic happens.

Is THAT how Bundy got caught? … He was trying to hide a full 15-feet of rope with only a semi-colon?

“What are you looking at guard? I’m a Sovereign Citizen and I know my Prehensile Rights…!”

[Colibri]

@akennett

I do, however, know that this is intolerable to me, as an Oregonian, when I live in a city (Portland) that is unwilling to combat the criminal elements within its border, yet feels the need to further restrict my ability to defend myself even beyond the measures taken by the state.

Maybe you should start another Pit thread rather than hijacking this one.

[TreacherousCretin]

@watchwolf49

Doesn’t him declaring himself and idiot prove he’s not? If he was really an idiot, he’d welcome standing trial.

“That’s quite a Catch”

“It’s the best there is.”

(“That’s some catch, that Catch-22”)