The Bundys are at it again.

[davidm]

@Son_of_a_Rich

No problem as long as they’re free to leave.

It’s unlikely that the children are free to leave.

[China_Guy]

The children’s parents/guardians are or else it becomes a CPS and child endangerment issue.

Feds need to actively start resolving this situation. Felonies have been committed by an aggressively armed group on Federal Land for nearly a month. There’s avoiding escalation, and then there’s WTF?

[davidm]

Right, and CPS is so much better equipped to deal with this than the FBI or local law enforcement.

Start arresting them as they leave the refuge. Don’t allow anyone one else onto the refuge.

[eschereal]

A cordon would work. Especially if it was stated that any person leaving the area would be subject to arrest for trespassing. That would at least put a huge damper on their daily press briefings. Fucking media.

[oft_wears_hats]

@davidm

It’s unlikely that the children are free to leave.

I think the point was that the occupiers as a whole can make the decision to leave if safety becomes an issue. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if becoming martyrs is more important to them than the safety of their children. They’ve pretty much proven that by taking them to an armed standoff.

[Rick_Kitchen]

They have announced that, in the spring, they will start grazing cattle on the wildlife refuge grounds.

[billfish678]

In two hundred years Dr Who will visit Mars…and those first explorers will be from the Bundy Conglomerate of North America…mark my words…

[eschereal]

Occupiers say they’ve voted to ask Joaquin Mariano DeMoreta-Folch, a long-time Tea Party activist, to convene a common law grandjury.
*He tracks its origins back to the Magna Carta, British common law and the U.S. Constitution and he warns, the jury meets in absolute secrecy. “The media, you cannot ask the question to them. That’s a felony,” he toldreporters.

“So make sure (you know) what you are doing because if you ask me: How many? What they say? Why they vote? You’re committing the crime of felony and I will hold you accountable,” said DeMoreta-Folch.*

Fine, so they want to govern, but they want total secrecy as part of the process. Makes sense to me :dubious::rolleyes:

[running_coach]

@eschereal

Fine, so they want to govern, but they want total secrecy as part of the process. Makes sense to me :dubious::rolleyes:

It’s highly unlikely that Jimmy Dean or Hormel would let you in to watch sausages get made either.

[Snowboarder_Bo]

[

@Joaquin Mariano DeMoreta-Folch

So make sure (you know) what you are doing because if you ask me: How many? What they say? Why they vote? You’re committing the crime of felony and I will hold you accountable.

](Armed Occupiers Convene Common Law Grand Jury Against Local Officials - OPB)
“The crime of felony”? These are large, confused, angry children playing with things they do not understand. It is time to take their toys away.

Here’s a thought: since we know Ammon Bundy isn’t home, why don’t we form a militia and occupy his ranch?

[jasg]

@Rick_Kitchen

They have announced that, in the spring, they will start grazing cattle on the wildlife refuge grounds.

The Feds should then open a Spring Cattle hunting season - no bag limit.

[Count_Blucher]

Well, we have all those land mines we can’t use in wars.

Why not plant them on their ranches and offer them a free Easter Egg Hunt this Spring?

"Did the Sheriff of Knott-Head Ham aprove this? We only recognise Gub-mint that dances the Hokey-Pokey, the Macarena, AND the Chicken Dance. But by secret ballot, behind closed doors, in the dark, and after spinning the bottle.

Under Militia Mutton-Head law, its Kisser’s Keeper’s, birth control’s for Weepers.

[eschereal]

@Snowboarder_Bo

Here’s a thought: since we know Ammon Bundy isn’t home, why don’t we form a militia and occupy his ranch?

Ammonia Bundy is actually not a rancher, he is some sort of heavy-equipment mechanic. He got a loan from the federal government (or a federal GSE) to stay out of the red.

[Muffin]

@eschereal

Occupiers say they’ve voted to ask Joaquin Mariano DeMoreta-Folch, a long-time Tea Party activist, to convene a common law grandjury.
*He tracks its origins back to the Magna Carta, British common law and the U.S. Constitution and he warns, the jury meets in absolute secrecy. “The media, you cannot ask the question to them. That’s a felony,” he toldreporters.

“So make sure (you know) what you are doing because if you ask me: How many? What they say? Why they vote? You’re committing the crime of felony and I will hold you accountable,” said DeMoreta-Folch.*

Fine, so they want to govern, but they want total secrecy as part of the process. Makes sense to me :dubious::rolleyes:

My guess is that he thinks of himself as being a Recognitor of the Grand Assize, with the only problem being that the authority and convocation of this sort of local proto-jury hearing arose out of the Crown, not some self-appointed nutter.

[Snowboarder_Bo]

Somebody better figure out a way to end this soon, and it had better end with the arrest, trial and conviction of the Bundyites: [

Leaders of the armed protesters holding the national bird sanctuary on Tuesday plan to push their anti-government agenda in Grant County, whose sheriff recommends the government give in to two of their key demands.

Sheriff Glenn Palmer said in a statement to The Oregonian/OregonLive that “the government is going to have to concede something” to end the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

He said freeing a father-son ranching team from prison “would be a start. Sending the FBI home would be a start.” He referred to the FBI’s lead role in ending the refuge occupation.

“I just pray to God that cooler heads prevail and that no one gets killed,” Palmer said.

The sheriff’s endorsement of the militants’ demands stunned law enforcement officials, most who would not publicly discuss the matter.

](Oregon standoff: Grant County sheriff urges release of Hammonds - oregonlive.com)So now an elected official, law enforcement official, is advocating caving in to a terrorist group’s demands; that doesn’t help the cause of law & order at all.

[Larry_Borgia]

@billfish678

In two hundred years Dr Who will visit Mars…and those first explorers will be from the Bundy Conglomerate of North America…mark my words…

Hope they don’t drink the water.

[GIGObuster]

@Snowboarder_Bo

Somebody better figure out a way to end this soon, and it had better end with the arrest, trial and conviction of the Bundyites: [So now an elected official, law enforcement official, is advocating caving in to a terrorist group’s demands; that doesn’t help the cause of law & order at all.

I thought the proper sheriff was David Ward.

The one that is proposing the release is also part of Arpaio’s Sheriff group, the CSPOA - Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. The group gave him a “sheriff of the year” award for not wanting to follow rulings from the federal government.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/01/15/oregon-militants-try-recruit-‘constitutional’-sheriff-neighboring-county-fail](Oregon standoff: Grant County sheriff urges release of Hammonds - oregonlive.com)

Ward, they say, has failed in his “constitutional duty” to defend ranchers in his county against the federal government. It’s widely believed the sheriff is one of the chief targets of the “citizens grand jury” the Ammon Bundy-led invaders plan to convene soon.

So the militiamen recently turned to a sheriff they believed to be more sympathetic to their cause: Glenn Palmer, the sheriff of Grant County, which is adjacent to Harney County directly to the north.

According to Palmer, the men showed up in the town of John Day and arranged a meeting at a local restaurant. In the end, they failed to get what they came for –– Palmer’s assistance.

“I had no idea who I was meeting with when we had lunch yesterday,” he said. “I walked in, I realized who they were and I sat and listened to them. … They actually wanted me to come down there and make a stand, and I said, ‘not without the sheriff’s blessing.’”

The men had reason to believe that Palmer would be sympathetic to their cause. Palmer calls himself a “constitutional sheriff” and is not only a member in good standing of the far-right Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA), but was named that organization’s “lawman of the year” in 2012. He also traveled to Washington, D.C., in 2014 to participate in a CSPOA-led meeting with two U.S. senators about immigration.

Palmer’s claim to fame among their ranks lies in his feud with the U.S. Forest Service over policing powers in Grant County. Palmer told USFS officials that their rangers only had jurisdiction in the federal building in John Day.

And while the sheriff was unwilling to go to Harney County to help bolster the Bundys’ cause, Palmer told the East Oregonian that while he has “a pretty good working relationship” with the neighboring sheriff, he was also unwilling to go to Burns to support Sheriff Ward.

“About the only thing (Ward) really told me is I’m welcome to come down there if I would shame and humiliate them into giving up and I said, ‘No, I won’t do that,”’ Palmer said. “I’m not in the business of denouncing or shaming or humiliating anybody.”

Ah yes, but humiliating other sheriff and authorities is ok in his book. This sheriff wants to have his cake and eat it too.

[coremelt]

@Snowboarder_Bo

Somebody better figure out a way to end this soon, and it had better end with the arrest, trial and conviction of the Bundyites: [url=Oregon standoff: Grant County sheriff urges release of Hammonds - oregonlive.com]So now an elected official, law enforcement official, is advocating caving in to a terrorist group’s demands; that doesn’t help the cause of law & order at all.

Impeach that Sheriff for failing to perform his legal duties. Is there a mechanism in the state legislature to do that?

[eschereal]

This is an off-year for the Oregon legislature. They typically convene in odd-numbered years for about four or five months and then go back to their day jobs the rest of the time. Unless a special session is needed. County sheriffs are usually removed from office through some sort of court action.

[coremelt]

@eschereal

Unless a special session is needed.

You would think that the current situation was reason enough to convene a special session. If the feds won’t act, the state government is certainly entitled to do whatever they need to do to deal with the situation.