I think everyone looking into it gets to the part about the truck trying to peel out while on his head and immediately goes to, “That’s fucked up” levels of empathy. 'Cause that’s fucked up.
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“The driver - not knowing I was under the car - just hit the gas and spun out on my head,” Bundy recalled. “I was conscious throughout all of this.”
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In other news, it’s pretty enjoyable that the best-case-hands-slapping-hootin-hollerin outcome of this is that the remaining occupiers get a do-over.
I am not “trying” to say, I am saying: this is your libertarianism. The Bundy ranch has their freedom, their lack of any [del]adult[/del] government supervision. This is the result. What are you confused about?
Cliven Bundy has to sell cattle at some point, maintain an income and keep his ranch from becoming overstocked. Seems like the feds could simply put a lien on anything he sells. Don’t know about Nevada, but in Idaho there’s actually a streamlined process for filing a crop lien; I had to do it once, in order to get paid for some custom work I’d done. Once the lien was filed, the grower never saw the money. The processor he’d sold to was required to cut me a check directly.
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I love how the “LeVoy had his hands up” meme completely ignore the part where he drops his hands and made a threatening move.[/QUOTE]
Oh, but sir, let me explain. See, after the truck wrecked, LeVoy got out to see if the officer he nearly hit was ok. However, the police immediately opened fire. His hands dropped to his waist to clutch his wounds from being shot before they fired the killing shot. He didn’t have any firearm on him, nor were there any in the truck. Which, by the way, has over 100 bullet holes in it from the brutal assault on the unarmed occupants.
At least that’s the story I’m getting from the fucktards on the firearms board I frequent. :rolleyes:
Yeah, I saw that on the Bundy Ranch facebook page. The proof that he was not armed is right in the video - if he had been armed, the FBI [sic] would *immediately *have run over to secure the weapon. That agents did not *immediately *run up to a man they considered a mortal threat without regard for any danger that might pose, *proves *there was no weapon in his waistband where photos over the last few weeks always show he carried a handgun.
You could show them the video, over and over, and their brains will see his hands up and then him falling down. That couple of seconds between get edited out – you could show it at 25% speed, and they will still not see that interval where his hands are not up.
How about this? Cliven Bundy is a thief and criminal. He’s not only stealing resources that belong to all of the citizens of the United States, he is preventing the proper care of maintenance of land he’s not even using. He’s a fuckhead of the first order and the son of a bitch should be made penniless and put in prison for the rest of his miserable useless existence.
On the subject of whether they are/were terrorists,
*… When (Scott) Carrier arrived at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, he quickly found a member of the militia to speak with: Brand Thornton, who had driven up from Las Vegas to join Ammon Bundy and others in the standoff…
According to Thornton, spirituality wasn’t secondary to the group’s mission — it was a central part of it. “I have to call this a spiritual organization,” he said. “Really, we don’t have any leaders, per se… The spirit of god is the leader. And Ammon (Bundy) received that spiritual message and he conveys it.”
When Carrier asked about the justification for the occupation, Thornton referenced the Declaration of Independence, saying, “When government becomes corrupted, you actually have the sacred obligation and responsibility to replace that government.” But when Carrier asked about the religious justification, Thornton cited Section 98 of the LDS “Doctine and Covenants,” a sacred text that comprises revelations to the Mormon prophets, particularly Joseph Smith.
In Thornton’s interpretation of this section, when the government commits egregious acts, the first step of the people is to petition the government. But if those petitions go unanswered, it’s possible to do something called a “priestly curse” — a process that involves a person petitioning the Lord against their oppressors while washing their own feet. Thornton told Carrier that when he got to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, it was the first thing he did.*
I think that is what the government was originally planning to do after things cooled down. However, Cliven doesn’t bring his cattle to market anymore. He butchers them himself and sells the meat out of freezers on his ranch.
IIRC, theres’s not a single bank account, deed, or asset owned in Cliven’s name. Everything is property of the wife.
