The CanaDoper Café, 2013 edition.

I had a fascinating little encounter with Canadiana the other day.

I play low/medium stakes poker, and was playing some $10/$20 limit in Brantford a few weeks ago. A small, wiry man in his sixties or seventies sat to my right. I’d been playing for a few hours and was up, feeling pretty good, so I kept an eye on this new interloper.

To my fascination, he pulled out some documents, one a notebook, and started furiously writing in them, even as he posted his first bet and played cards. I couldn’t help but see, as his books were just two feet from my face. One of the notebooks appeared to be an absolutely Byzantine, ultra-confusing matrix that somehow tracked the tendencies of the various players in the casino (which would be valuable information, if you knew what to record and had enough of a data sample.) A few people amusedly asked him about it, and he claimed to know the fundamental stats for several of the folks at the table, rattling off VPIP numbers and whatnot.

The other document in his hands was a typewritten thesis, perhaps 30-40 pages in length, entitled something like “Can Poker Player Tendencies Be Tracked Using Observable Statistical Tendencies” or something like that. The author was none other than John Turmel. I asked if he was the man himself, and he happily said he was and shook my hand, asking me where I’d heard of him. I told him I’d read his material on Usenet back in the day and, anyway, I read a lot of news.

To say he was quite a character would be an understatement. He was much smaller than I thought he’d be - he looks like he’s lost some weight, in a good way. He talks, incessantly and happily.

Turmel has a long history of gambling associations, prides himself on his numbers skills, and was the only guy at the table keeping stats on other players, so it amuses me to report that he is an absolutely atrocious poker player. He was playing three quarters of his hands, cold-calling, rarely raising and generally doing everything you expect from a dreadful player. I cheerily helped him out with his matrix by giving him my name and playing tendencies, figuring that it made no difference, and it didn’t; he’s one of the worst players I’ve ever seen play $10/$20. I didn’t play with him long and I’m not Doyle Brunson but I assure you he was just terrible. If I could play with nine John Turmels every time I played, I would quit my job, play poker for a living, and retire in four years.

The sense I got from him is that he is not quite crazy, but manic, I guess would be the word. He was jumpy and fidgety and seemed scatterbrained. I was struck by the impression that he was a man with a high IQ but some sort of ADD that kept him from quite harnessing it. His convoluted matrix of alleged player profiles was, I am utterly certain, complete balderdash; I am sure he thought it meant something when he wrote stuff down and then forgot what it all meant later. It LOOKED like something a crazy man would write, the densely pencilled ravings of a lunatic’s diary.

For all that, he didn’t otherwise look mad. He seemed healthy, was nicely dressed and presented, was pleasant to sit at the table with, and seemed happy as a clam. I had to go about an hour later - a shame, given how enthusiastically he was giving away his money; I had already taken some and was sure I could take more.

It was a very interesting meeting.

If you think John is a character you should meet his brother Ray. I know the Turmels. Ha ha.

Yeah, they live here in Ottawa, don’t they? I met him once or twice, seemed a little squirrelly, but pleasant!

Apparently the bus hit the train, not the other way around. The train was already in the crossing.

A week ago, I rode a similar bus from Oshawa to Richmond Hill. I sat up top at the front. Maybe next time I won’t.

I think his brother Ray still lives here but John moved to Brantford about 10 years ago to become a "professional"gambler.

I remember his Casino Turmel back in the 90’s and the raid on it. I was invited to it once but never went because IIRC the house took 5-10% of every pot!?

From Wiki:

This is my riding and I don’t even remember seeing him on the ballot, apparently he got 64 votes.

Here in my city, we’re voting for a new mayor in November. The campaigns have started today. I don’t yet know enough about each candidate to have decided who to vote for, but I’ll try to keep myself informed and learn more.

At least all of the mayoral candidates (as well as the mayors of every single other city on the island of Montreal) are against the proposed Charter of Quebec Values.

The hilarity of this just can’t be overstated. Aside from the fact that he was an astounding terrible poker player, why on earth would someone wanting to be a professional gambler move to BRANTFORD? It’s a nice little casino, but wouldn’t you rather be in Niagara Falls or Windsor/Detroit? Making a living at poker in Brantford is nigh on impossible. The limits just don’t go high enough often enough; you’d have to play $20/$40 or $50/$100 but they aren’t offered every day of the week and when they are they attract solid players (I am better than the average poker player but I’d be handed my own ass on a plate at $50/$100.) There’s no tourist fish playing $50/$100 in Brantford.

Even making a living in Niagara is tough. Casino Niagara rarely offers more than $1/$2 no-limit, at which it is impossible to beat the rake no matter how good you are. Fallsview does offer $2/$5 NL but you can’t make a living at that either, and doesn’t always spread the limits where you could eke out a living.

(For those who don’t know poker, there is a limit as to how much you can realistically expect to win long term depending on the game’s limits. Even the best player in the world can only win so much, because no matter how skilled you are, you will lose a predictable number of hands in the long run because you just don’t get the cards. Practically speaking, the top end figure is usually about two big bets per hour - so if Turmel was a near-perfect limit player, he could make $28 an hour at the game we were playing together, that being two $20 bets minus the session fees. I watched him play 30-40 hands and saw him make a dozen horrible errors, so he’s not making money at all, but still.)

The answer was in his little notebook; he’s smart but he’s just a bit too deranged to realize what he’s doing. I think he also mentioned that he plays the other games, too, at which a smart-but-crazy person might convince themselves they can win long term, but a sensible person knows that to be impossible.

Turmel claims to be a huge winner, of course, and has bragged about it in the press. Believe me, he isn’t.

That’s a fairly typical rake in a Canadian cardroom, though it’s capped. At low limits it’s usually 10% to a max of $5 or $6, plus a dollar if there are bad beat jackpots and hand bonuses. Once you hit lower middle limits, it’s a session fee, which really doesn’t become a better deal than a rake until you’re at larger limits (and a winning player.)

The raid on his casino is also indicative of his nuttery in that back in the day, running a cardroom was like smoking a little weed; it was amazingly easy to get away with, unless you were an absolute doofus. There were cardrooms that ran in Toronto for 30 years, not super exclusive or anything, but were never raided.

Heh, my riding too. First time I had seen him in person was at the all candidates meeting for the by-election. What a character. He was wildly entertaining. By far the most animated of the candidates (10!). He was actually very aware of what a joke he was. His latest thing is about how we are all going to die from the nuclear radiation from Fukushima. And how if we had only voted for him in the '80s then we would have no interest and therefore no global financial meltdown. Like I said, wildly entertaining. He said nothing to win my vote, but he did get the most laughs of the evening.

I saw him on there. And considering it’s the safest Liberal riding in Canada, I briefly considered throwing my vote away for him. :stuck_out_tongue:

Will bottles of brown pop be allowed to wear caps once the law is passed?

Only if it’s not too “conspicuous.”

I have an idea for Quebecois who want to keep wearing article of their faith; just put a Habs logo on it. That religion hasn’t been banned by the PQ yet.

The funny thing is that that isn’t exactly a joke; it might actually work. The obvious defense to an order to take off your religious symbol is to argue that it is NOT a religious symbol.

“You can’t wear that headscarf, it’s a religious symbol and we’re all pur laine here.”

“This headscarf has nothing to do with my religion.”

“Sure it does, you…”

“Nope. It’s purely cultural. The Lord does not command me to wear it. It’s just a part of my Arabic culture, not a part of my faith.”

“Uhh… okay. You over there! Take off that turban!”

“I just like turbans.”

How can you argue with that? That’s the problem with legislating cultural values; they aren’t fixed and clear, like mathematical values. Is a headscarf religious or cultural? How about a yarmulke? It’s not even linguistically clear if the word “Jewish” means a religion; there is a religion called Judaism, and its practitioners are Jews, but “Jewish” is also a cultural identity and an ethnicity. Many athiests call themselves “Jews.” So is a yarmulke a religious symbol or a cultural symbol? It’s probably religious, but prove that to me on an individual basis. How could you?

I think that if the law comes into force, all Sikhs should start wearing yamulkes, all Jews should start wearing turbans, and anyone who wants to show solidarity should wear either, for just that reason. If it becomes a cultural choice, or a question of freedom of expression in support of others’ religious values, how is it a religious symbol?

I say we should start “International Wear a Turban” day. :slight_smile:

An update on my earlier complaint regarding US American gas pumps - the vast majority at this point require a Zip code, rendering pay at the pump moot for Canadians if you want to use a credit card, but some do indeed accept a debit card and PIN. Not all, which makes me wonder why not, but our success rate with the debit card was much better.

Do you suppose VISA in Canada would have any interest in learning that they may be losing all the Canadian tourist gas dollars from the US? :slight_smile:

I know, it seems alot of my neighbours are resistant to any kind of change and are satisfied with the old status quo.

I doubt it. I’d imagine that the number of Canadian tourists buying gas in the US is a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of Visa’s Canadian operations at home. Still, it would be nice to just be able to pay at the US pump, using a Canadian Visa card.

By the way, Cat, I’ve really been enjoying your thread about your current road trip. Wanted to let you know.

I know we don’t do much politics in this thread, but someone drew my attention to this earlier today:

Michael Ignatieff is the only person whom I find more likable when he’s a pompous, self aggrandizing toff, comparing himself to Cicero and Machiavelli. But then I didn’t like him a whole lot to begin with. Lol.

For some reason, Antonio, I cannot open your link. Can you give us a summary of it?

I think this is it:

Defeat Invalidated Me

Yeah sorry. Damn mobile site from my phone!