Just wanted to add that I’m happy that I’ll get at least one night of being happy about this. Hopefully this will translate into some momentum.
It was a “Behind the woodshed ass-whipping” to quote Matt Taibbi.
Fuck you Hillary and Bill for making politics about the lowest common denominator.
Fuck you Bill for blatantly playing the race card. Here’s what happened. When asked about his take on the 2 against 1 nature of the race, Bill Clinton said, “Well Jessie Jackson won South Carolina”
There you have it. Bill trying to paint Obama as a blacks-only candidate. He had it prepared and simply stumbled at how to deploy it. There is no doubt this was his intention.
Also, why the fuck did his speech fucking get airtime? Is this going to happen all the time from now on?
I’m a Clinton supporter but I anticipate a great victory speech from Obama tonight. At this point he is totally a Serious Candidate, having won, dropped behind, then come back to win again (ergo no flash in the pan), and he’s in for some rough primary action just ahead, so it’s time to uncork the public-speaker mojo and make people’s hearts thump.
He’s doing good, and although I think she’s one of the best strategic politician I’ve ever seen, I think he really could win if he is both lucky and works really really hard at it.
I don’t think Obama is the next Messiah. I don’t think he’s ENTIRELY a known quantity. Even so… I like him. Plan on voting for him.
I do weary of any dogma, including political dogma. And there are a few Obama zealots making his cause look silly. Please vote for the man (or not) on his merits and your values.
On a side note: I can’t vote for Hillary in any election (including if she gets the Democratic nomination) because of what I see as a swift boating of Obama. To settle any thoughts on bias… if he’d swiftboated her first, he’d be off my list.
That Bill is REALLY bringing race into this… well there just aren’t words for how angry that leaves me. And that he’s doing this as her proxy and she’s not distancing from it… that speaks volumes to me.
I’m tired of having presidents I KNOW that I categorically cannot trust what they say.
Having caught Bill Clinton’s Jesse Jackson references on the news tonight, I have come to my first firm conclusion about this race: I will not be voting for anyone named Clinton. Still not quite sure about Obama, but the behavior of Clinton & Clinton has completely eliminated Hillary as far as I’m concerned.
Well, as far as I’m concerned, it’s about parties – alliances, negotiations with Congress, paying off supporters, Supreme Court nominations. And since I happen to think that the Republicans deserve a long exile after the depredations of the last 7 years, I will be enthusiastically voting for the Democratic nominee, period.
I like Clinton, I like Obama, I can tolerate Edwards, I would have preferred Gore. Whatever. I’m not a registered Democrat, but I think we need them now. So the idea of swearing not to vote for a Clinton, though I understand the sentiment, seems counterproductive to me.
Up to today, I agreed with you. IMO, there have been few administrations (if any) that have done more damage to the US than Bush: The Sequel. Before today, I was not happy about the idea that I might have to vote for Clinton, but I’d have grumbled and scuffed my feet and done so for the common good. What I heard from Bill today, though, was so counter to common decency that I just can’t stomach the idea of either one of them back in the White House. I never had any illusions that they were particularly scrupled people, but I expected them to be less obviously hypocritical.
I’ll most likely vote for whatever Democrat is nominated other than Clinton, or not vote for a president at all, or cast a 3rd-party vote. Hell, maybe I’ll write in a vote for Jesse Ventura, who was my choice the last time I was offered two completely unacceptable candidates. It might be counterproductive, but I’ll be able to live with myself without feeling I have compromised my most deeply held beliefs.
I can understand that. What I don’t understand is voters who would vote for Obama if he’s nominated, but if he’s not nominated, would vote for McCain. As if it’s only about the individual candidate, not the party he/she would put in power.
I’ve always been a yellow dog Democrat, at least as far as presidential politics go. So I might vote for a yellow dog, except if it’s a bitch. The Clintons with their arrogance, their sense of entitlement, their filthy campaign, and Hillary constantly playing the gender card have made me vow that I will never, ever, under any circumstances, even consider for one millisecond the idea of voting for her. I now hate both Clintons with as much passion as I hate Bush. And if someone who despises the Republican party as much as I do feels this way, a Hillary nomination may be the only thing that keeps the White House out of Democratic hands.
That was Bill. He ain’t running. Nobody voted for Hillary as first lady of Arkansas or first lady of the US. She had no cabinet post and went through no confirmation hearings. She had no national security clearance. Under what logic does Bill’s presidency count as “experience” for her?
I think it’s wrong of anyone to equate a Bill presidency with a Hillary presidency. A Hillary presidency would not be another Bill presidency. Sure, Bill was competent. But irrelevant to the choice between Obama and Hillary.
Funny… I thought Al Gore invented the internet. So… shouldn’t HE get the credit for the tech surge?
I fear, if HRC is made president, that a lot of Dems will end up finding (as some are now) that some of what the Repubs were saying way back when… just might be true. If she IS elected… I hope I’m wrong.
I just don’t trust her. She lies boldly. Has her surrogates do things that are VERY hurtful for the country and race relations. She’s willing to do many things that DON’T benefit the country in order to get into the office where, presumably, she’ll be as good as Bill. Odd thing is… she can’t win without him stumping for her.
She’s a strong independent and smart politician, who just happens to need to hide behind her husband in order to win. And what he says and does as he runs the front… everything is on the table.
Their behaviour in the past two weeks has really shown me what the Clintons are about. They are first and foremost about themselves and put nothing higher. Things like unity of the party or the good of the country. They have tried everything to marginalize Obama using just about every bit of slime they can dredge up. It’s shameful and disgraceful. It makes me want to puke.
Obama is obviously restraining himself. How easy would it be to go off about the bad things of the Clinton years? He could easily bring up Monica. Maybe he’d like to mention that Bill got disbarred for perjury? All of this stuff is bad, but he doesn’t believe in re-fighting the wars of the 90’s so he doesn’t mention it. I think he deserves credit right there.
No we can’t afford another divisive Clinton presidency. We are simply too fucked as a nation to have another divider. We have zero self-esteem as a nation after the Bush years. We are divided as much as possible. What we need now is to be healed. Clinton divisiveness won’t work like it did last time and will only serve to make things worse. Plain and simple fact right there.
I’ll vote for McCain because of this. At least McCain is for sensible government. That’s an important thing for me. He probably will do something to cut spending and reinstate a policy of responsibility. And I’d rather see the country get worse off than vote for Hillary. She represents the true debasement of the American dream. Obama is the true embodiement of it. If she defeats him, she must be prevented from winning. Otherwise we, as Americans are saying that not only is the American dream dead, we don’t want it to come back. Obama is the one candidate that wants to achieve greatness and nobody seems to trust him. They’d rather have some old hag who thinks turning a blind eye when the big dog gets a hummer counts as experience. Well fuck that.
Cool, maybe your kids’ll die in Iraq 25 years from now because of your aversion to anything but softball politics between Democrats.
Have you seen McCain’s latest? McCain Tries to Lump Romney With Dems
I’ll admit, while Hillary was not my first choice on the Dem side, I found her at least acceptable until maybe ten days ago, when the incessant, blatant, mendacious politicking exhibited by the Clintons finally began to get to me. I now fervently hope that Mrs. Clinton fails to get the nomination. I have no particular illusions about Obama, but he at least seems marginally more likely to concern himself with the greater good than his opponent within the party.
If Hillary still ends up getting the nom, well, we’ll just have to see. The Republicans simply don’t deserve to get another term at this time, given the monumental FUBAR of the past several years.
I’m sure any Republican would have the decency not to bring up the question of integrity in a race against the Clintons. Or the tendency to get financing from certain individuals, or the Lincoln bedroom… etc.
NOW… and this is me drawing a line… if they are in some sort of open marriage - formally or not - that’s fine with me. So long as it stays stable and out of the press. I don’t care about the sex stuff - as long as it is honest. As soon as lies are involved… there’s power.
If they want and need to keep that open nature out of the press - that’s fine, too. Most of America wouldn’t understand.
Even so, I think that there was more than a Republican smear campaign at work in the 90’s. It got overplayed and generated a sympathy towards Bill among the party faithful. I think it may have also resulted in a bit of blindness on the part of Democrats as they circled their wagons in defense of the “put upon” Bill.
For the record, as stated other places, I am politically independent and disagree with both parties on some issues. I like fiscal responsibility, like having a GOOD infrastructure, think foreign relations matter, think monetary policy (as Ron Paul has been pointing out) is a BIG deal… etc.
I’m no partisan hack on either side. I just get tired of Bill Clinton being given a get out of jail free card because he connects with his audience. I’m not going to accuse him of being a psychopath, but I will say his connection with his audience seems more a means to other things than a thing of honesty and innate nature.
