The Jedi are scamming you!

Gimme some positive evidence that it was done by repulsorlifts, dude. Gimme some explanation for precognition. Gimme some explanation on the mechanism that allows Jedi to deflect blaster bolts.

That’s how the skeptic works, yo. We have the evidence of Jedi performing miracles. YOU have to provide counter-evidence. So far, you’re just giving me vague assumptions on how it MIGHT be done - “Yoda used a repulsorlift!” Okay, it’s possible he did. Where was this repulsorlift? What evidence do you have that he used it?

None.

How did Cihlgal (or however her name is spelt) heal Mon Mothma from a nanotech virus? Sure, you might claim that she was in cahoots with the Imperial commander that infected the Chief of State… but now you’re getting into the realm of nutcase conspiracy theorist.

No, check that. You’ve gone well beyond the realm of conspiracy theorist, buckaroo. Is it incredible? Sure. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Frankly, I’m well-satisfied by the evidence that’s come to light.

Nope. But I’ll believe the trillion or so people who witnessed it.

Yeah? What technology would that be?

Face it, Tracer, you’re just one of those naysayers who spout contrarian indoctrination just for the sake of getting attention. Sure, it might be possible that the Jedi simply have access to technology that is miniaturized beyond the realm of anything else available anywhere else in the galaxy… sure, it might be possible that they’ve managed to make this technology magically undetectable to any sort of scanner… sure, it might be possible that they’ve learned how to shrink repulsorlifts down to molecular size and learned how to give them infinite power sources… but frankly, your alternate theory sounds FAR more implausible than the assumption that these select few possess access to some supernatural ability.

(Note: Take this post seriously at your own risk.)

You’re right when you say that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. But where is this “extraordinary evidence” FOR the Force? Huh? You might be satisfied by the “evidence” that’s come to light, but need I remind you of how many cults-of-personality there have been in the history of the Galaxy that turned out to be nothing more than the product of a gullible public? People were “convinced” by Uri Geller’s stage magic tricks, too.

The Jedi wouldn’t need to shrink repulsorlifts down to molecular size – just down small enough to hide in a robe. Have you seen how big and floppy those Jedi robes are? You could practically hide a TIE fighter in there!

Plus, let’s not forget just how much of public opinion is swayed by stories of the Jedi’s “powers.” How many of these stories do we know actually happened? Sure, we’ve all heard about how the Jedi used their powers of telekinesis to fight great battles, but when was the last time you actually saw a Jedi levitating an object? Were you standing close enough that you could tell there was no repulsorlift involved? Hmmm? And have you ever seen a Jedi deflect a blaster bolt with his light saber, other than in one of those “streetcorner demonstrations” on the streets of Coruscant that are all staged with carefully choreographed blaster shots?

And I remind you again that no Jedi has ever won James Randi’s million-credit prize for demonstrating real Jedi powers.

Well, for one, the fact that they can actually do everything the brochure says they can. And no one has yet found evidence for any other interpretation.

Yesterday. Probably will see it again today.

What, you think all those Jedi kids cook for themselves? Nosirree, bob, they need some parental guidance and some good food. PLus, none of the Jedi ever want to take them to play Blurnsball. Anyway, they are always levitating the ketchup and forks. Kids! Can’t live with 'em, can’t sacrifice 'em to the dark side.

That would more probably be due to the fact that the Jedi are in a galaxy far, far away and have not, to my knowledge, ever heard of James Randi. Aside fom the fact that the last Jedi I met would be horrifically old by now. PLus, who cares about a paltry million creds? They are state employees, man, everything’s on the company card!

I’d like to know-can one use the Force to scratch one’s back?

Guin, yes. Yes I can.

Cool. Pirates!

(See if anyone gets this!)

What, you believe Alderaan was really blown up?

Come on. It’s all a Jedish conspiracy.

Humorous non-in characternote: According to the original Role Playing Game from WEG, Darth Vader was about strogn enough to actually move th death tar himseolf, and the Emporer, frankly, didn’t need that big superlaser to blow up planets, either. :slight_smile:

A directed repulsor-tractor beam capable of lifting an X-wing would be far larger than Yoda himself. And we all saw, in footage that was approved by the Director-God himself, Yoda lift an X-wing with relative ease.

Care to explain that, my dear sir? How that level of miniaturization was accomplished?

You want me to believe that, over the course of 25,000 years, nobody has challenged a Jedi to prove his or her abilities? Sorry, buckaroo, but again… your alternative is far more incredulous than the possibility that they do have supernatural powers.

You’re saying you actually do childcare work at one of the Jedi training compounds?

Ooh, tell me, is it true what they say about young Jedi who start to learn the force but are later judged to be too “risky” to continue their training? Do they really grind them up and serve them at the next meal as a “lesson” to all the would-be dissenters among them, or do they just quietly drop them into Coruscant’s garbage incinerator system?

From The Force Skeptics Page:

“The one exception to this has been Yoda’s demonstration of lifting an entire X-Wing fighter out of a swamp on Dagobah. An X-Wing fighter is certainly too heavy for a miniature repulsorlift to carry. But Yoda is known for his smooth-talking wiles, and it would be a grave mistake to assume that someone as crafty as this notorious Jedi Master didn’t have a trick or two up his short sleeve. What trick did he pull? Well, isn’t it obvious? An X-Wing fighter has its own built-in repulsor lifts! These built-in repulsors are what allow the X-Wing to hover-taxi into position for takeoff. (Military footage of the initial stages of the assault on the first Death Star at Yavin show this repulsorlift taxiing repeatedly.) Yoda’s message of the Force isn’t for the educated critic, it’s for the gullible layman who may be ignorant of the fact that X-Wing fighers have their own high-powered repulsorlifts. While Yoda was standing on the shore and stretching out one hand toward the X-Wing fighter, his other hand (which the casual viewer would have been too distracted to notice) was thumbing a remote-control device that turned the fighter’s repulsorlifts on. Voilá! A ‘miracle’!”

There aren’t any failures that I ever saw. They are pretty demanding of their entries. You have to have just the right biological profile. And then they give you very intensive training. At any rate, I have seen some of the elder Jedi who quit, and they were simply allowed to walk away.

If you ever get a chance, apply to work there. They don’t really care who you are or what you do so long as you get things done. Come to think of it, they don’t interact much with anybody. They are really Ivory Tower types. Could probably do with a bit more history classes. But the kids are great.

Yoda happens to have a remote control device that works on any fighter craft in the galaxy, including those built long after he went into monastic asceticism? And he teaches Luke to use it without actually lettig him in on the secret?

And you think “the Force” is harder to swallow?

There aren’t any failures that I ever saw. They are pretty demanding of their entries. You have to have just the right biological profile. And then they give you very intensive training. At any rate, I have seen some of the elder Jedi who quit, and they were simply allowed to walk away.

If you ever get a chance, apply to work there. They don’t really care who you are or what you do so long as you get things done. Come to think of it, they don’t interact much with anybody. They are really Ivory Tower types. Could probably do with a bit more history classes. But the kids are great.

Yoda happens to have a remote control device that works on any fighter craft in the galaxy, including those built long after he went into monastic asceticism? And he teaches Luke to use it without actually letting him in on the secret?

And you think “the Force” is harder to swallow?

None, whatsoever? Every single kid they accept for apprenticeship makes it all the way to Jedi Knight? No padawan ever, say, “succumbs to the dark side”?

Or is that just what they tell you? I’m sure with the number of training facilities across the Galaxy that some Jedi apprentices are reassigned from one facility to another during their training years. You could be eating any one of these “reassigned” padawans in that hamburger in your hand right now!

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Sure, after they’ve had the years of brainwashing. (Except for the few who decide to spill the beans, whom the Order conveniently accuses of “falling to the dark side” and has to “destroy” – with no witnesses, of course.)

In between the time Luke’s X-Wing crash-landed on Dagobah, and the time Yoda “levitated” the fighter out of the swamp, he would’ve had plenty of time to mail-order the right kind of remote control device from ACME.

Not that young. But honestly, there aren’t very many of them, and the Jedi do have the whole galaxy to pick from.

There is only one facility.

Heck no! We only use the finest Grade A+ Nerf meat in our patties!

I still send letters to a few of them. Two retired to get married and live the quiet life on some far-off farming world. One of them settled down to live next to my Aunt. I think he’s got the hots for her! When it comes down to it, most Jedi leave for one of three reasons:

  1. Conversion to utter evil.
  2. Disatisfaction with the Jedi’s monastic principles and the Republic
  3. Sex

Guess which one has been the most popular?

Well, the Jedi and staff did kind of raise them completely. I’m not sure that counts as brainwashing.