What you’re referring to is bad writing…that’s the biggest problem I have with this thread. Most of ‘your’ points are based on loopholes due to bad writing and not examples of the characters using their powers to their full potential.
Spider-man’s not strong enough to snap Logan’s neck…Logan’s been punched by the hulk, he’s been punched into outer atmosphere and slammed into any number of objects…nothing breaks on him. Ever.
Iceman’s lowest use of his power is creating ice…he’s doesn’t have to anything except hangback and reduce the temperature of the area the jedi are in…to sub-zero and the battle’s over. Storm can create EXTREME weather conditions, hard to fight with hailstones the size of basketballs droping on you, lightning blasts randomly striking at you and pea soup fog…and that’s just ‘passive’ attacks. Cyclops doesn’t attack the Jedi, he blasts the ground they’re standing on, setting them up of the long distance fighters.
As far as the no killing goes, the X-men will kill…will it be their FIRST response? No, but if the Jedi kills one of them, then the Jedi will die; unless they surrender and damn quick.
There is no way unless you seriously cripple the x-team, that the Jedi; hell I’ll even give you the clone war Jedi, can beat the X-men.
Luke gets a glancing blow off of Darth Vader’s armor in TESB. Positing that Darth is wearing the local equivalent of adamantium (he’s not; he’s wearing specifically lighsaber-proof armor, but I’m assuming this will be ret-conned, what with the Jedi being shot down long before he got the hook-up), then assuming a Jedi can put a lightsaber into a joint, Logan will lose something important.
However, watching the Jedi do this will put the X-men into high-alert, these-aren’t-normal-villains, and one of the aforementioned high-powered heavy hitters will unload on the Jedi. Because, even if the Jedi can survive multiple lightning strikes, hurricane-force winds, un-redirectable cones of kinetic energy, and having Professor X simply mind-control them into submission, they sure as heck can’t deal with all of that happening at once.
The Jedi’s non-reluctance to kill will actually work against them, here. If they actually behaved in line with their philosophy and didn’t whip out the lightsabers at every threat, they might have a chance to get next to some of the X-men and do some damage. As it is, they bring down whoever gets close the fastest (probably Wolverine), and then get splorted.
Well, not entirely indestructable. In Don Jaimes example from Age of Apocalypse, Logan was missing a hand. IIRC, that was due to a full force point blank blast from Cyclops right to the hand, so it don’t disintegrate easily. The most typical versions of logans death (alternate realities and so on) involve the flesh being blasted right off of the bones, which fall to the ground. To answer your extreme example, no. The skeleton would not survive a black hole. Most other things, yep. It’d be just fine. Wolverine has been blasted, burned, whacked by sentinels and other uber tanks and come through fine. He’s a tough monkey.
This is more iirc, so forgive me if I’m wrong, but harder metal, such as the blast shields on some of the ships, involved a good deal of time for the sabers to cut through, not to mention both hands on the sabers. If they could cut through the adamantium to delimb the scrappy canuck, it’d take a minute of work and you don’t want to know what Wolverine would do while they were working.
The danger sense and enhanced agility would be the reasons here, not to mention the spidey strength. It’s nothing to do with fighting ability.
Not quite. The adamantium still has joints in it. The damage would be to the nerves, not to the adamantium. There was also a what if where the hulk landed a shot right to the back of wolverines neck and accomplished the same thing. There are no jedi in the hulks class though. Not even with the force.
And shame on you for not. As a spidey and a wolverine fan, you have earned my scorn. :mad: That’s right. Hang your head in shame. Bad Varlosz. Bad, bad Varlosz
Now to finish the earlier post to Don Jaime.
Havok is not a bitchier version of Cyclops…well, okay he kind of is but that doesn’t extend to his powers. He is constantly absorbing the ambient cosmic of the universe and channeling it into super heated plasma blasts. This isn’t always under his control. He has been known to go off before. That’s why his suit is kind of ugly. It helps him release it. He can release it himself in several ways. There are the tiny destructive blasts which can be fairly damaging. There are the bigger blasts. These can tear up a fair amount. There are the really big blasts, just as bad as a full force cyclops. He can explode it out in all directions:good damage and lots of knockback. He also did a trick in Mutant X (which counts since it was the same main universe character) where he released the energy at low levels into the environment which super heated Sabertooths adamantium skeleton enough to cook him from the inside out. Didn’t even affect the nearby wolverine. So yeah, Havok’s a pimp.
You were right on cyclops. He can reflect his beams, so a tight beam would be reflectable by a light saber. A wide beam, no chance.
Phoenix (who is Rachel Summers now. Jean died again :rolleyes: Second time this week. They don’t even fill her grave or seal the casket anymore) and the White Queen are way above the level of a jedi. I’ve never once seen or read of a jedi doing half of the things that those two do on a daily basis. Both can fry the synapses in your brain, which a jedi would never do even if they could. Rachels telekinesis is amongst the most powerful in the marvel universe. It’s sick how much she can do. Comparing a jedi to her is like a night light to the sun fer criminies sake.
Of course, I would be remiss if I didn’t point out that none of the x-men can stay dead (except for thunderbird. An extra $20 a month worth of membership dues and he could’ve gotten the immortality upgrade.). Jean has been dead so many times her tomb has a revolving door. Psylocke and Colossus just came back. Technically speaking, noone can beat the x-men.
Yeah, but the X-men have to be reincarnated through bad writing. The Jedi become force ghosts through their natural connection to the force.
Even if the X-men win, they’ll be haunted by robed, greenish-tinged specters who have become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. Or at least can hang around and irritate the mutants with bad philosophy and poor advice.
Force Ghost: “Scott, I don’t mean to bother you during the big battle when the team desperately needs your eyebeams, but Jean’s here in the afterlife, and she says…”
Force Ghost: “No, there aren’t any Sentinels in there. Or…maybe there are.”
Force Ghost: “Doh, is my green glowing spirit form blocking your view of the onrushing hordes of enemies? Bummer.”
Couple that with the ability to appear before all the mightiest foes of the X-men and give a play-by-play on exactly what the X-men are doing, right this second…
…even if the X-men won in the first place, they’d definitely regret it.
(First off: I’ve never read X-men comics, but I have seen both movies.)
I see two possible outcomes, both of which the Jedi win.
Scenario One
Assuming we’re not limiting this to light-side Jedi (and why should we?), some Joe Nobody works his way through Congress and eventually gets elected President after promising to stop some unexpectedly nasty fighting in various places around the globe. Out of seemingly nowhere, a powerful group of super soldiers appears that quell much of the fighting and begin to restore peace. The President endorses legislation making descrimination against mutants just as illegal as descrimination based on race or religion, and personally announces that they are heros. The X-men are given the role of leading the super-soldiers to finish eradicating the phantom menace. Eager to prove once and for all that they are the true heros, the X-men accept these positions.
They are then slaughtered, one by one, by those super-soldiers. The President declares himself Emporer.
(C’mon, why do we have to have a fair fight? Palpatine indirectly killed thousands of Jedi. And surely the X-men are not as powerful as thousands of Jedi?)
Scenario Two
The Jedi (any group) meet the X-men (any group). They fight. A couple X-men die, a few are wounded, but in the end they slaughter the Jedi.
George Lucas then releases the Special Edition of the fight where the Jedi win hands-down. Marvel corrects this, with the X-men winning only slightly less dramatically this time.
George Lucas again changes history, having his Jedi completely mop the floor with the X-men. Marvel, in an attempt at compromise, retcons the fight to a very narrow victory for the X-men.
Not persuaded, Lucas releases the Uber Special Neato Edition, where the Jedi not only completely demolish the X-men, but then use their bones to make musical instruments for Ewoks. Marvel retcons yet again, invoking various alternate realities, hypertimespace modulation thingies, magic, and so forth to explain how that didn’t really happen that way, Lucas, and stop throwing a fit you big baby.
This continues for several years until Lucas wins because he has more money than Marvel.
Darth Sidious will all beat the X-Men. He will find a way to manipulate the entire mutant population with his cunning deceit into making the X-Men their enemy. Each X-Men will be wiped out just like the Jedi’s but not before Storm gets pregnant by Darth Vader (she did him after hearing his James Earl Jones voice & his awesome badass breathing).
She bore a child but Darth Vader killed her with a force-choke while screaming “NOOOOOOOOOOO” just like in Episode 3 when the baby came out looking like Yoda (Damn…who woulda thought Yoda had it in him. That horny ol dog!) He ordered the baby killed but baby Yoda got mutant super powers and burnt Darth Vader to a crisp with lightning. Darth Sidius then took care of baby-Yoda & became his master.
