The Orville Season 2

Made a real impression on you too, eh?

How is that obsessing? I saw a clip from a show I had very little interest in because everyone said it was moderately bad, saw a clip of extended ass fanservice that showed what the show thought of its audience, and decided not to pursue it any further.

Maybe not, but Johnathan Archer was no Jason Nesmith, either.

You say “fanservice” like it’s a bad thing…:smiley:

LMAO, I’m glad it’s not just me. I agree with DrDeth that fanservice gets un undeservedly bad rap.

I agree. It’s a good show (even the first season IMO), as long as you skip the atrocious Richard Marx-esque song that plays over the opening credits.

Which is weird, because for my money Jennifer Lien was actually way hotter. :confused:

Whatever you do, don’t look up pictures of what Jennifer Lien looks like now.

I also like that they avoided those two common tropes.

I would disagree though, that we don’t right now criticize how people lived.
Any description of how violent, brutal and discriminatory the past was usually makes people shake their heads or feel pity.
The exception is usually just if it’s a sanitized, costume-drama version of the past, or if it’s just something we’re so used to flagging as appalling that this time no-one feels the need to express any opinion.

Yes, I believe they only fired forward. Turrets just aren’t a thing in sf generally, unless you’re into steampunk. Kirk’s Enterprise had no rear-firing weapons; I think the first one to do that in ST was the Klingon battlecruiser in the first movie, retreating (er, advancing in another direction - these are Klingons, after all!) from V’ger.

<aside>
This got me curious about why real world fighter planes don’t have rear-firing weapons.
From googling around, it seems the reason is because a pursuing plane is not necessarily following directly behind, so to be useful, a rear-facing cannon / missile launcher might need to cover a wide cone. And firing anywhere in the cone that’s not straight backwards would affect the direction of the plane due to recoil.

So we can fanwank similar reasons for spaceships. (Though in sci-fi with powerful, light-weight laser weaponry, it’s hard to think of a reason why you’d only point such lasers forwards).

I figure it’s a tactical decision. They build one big weapons conduit throughout the ship instead of two smaller ones in front and back. Since they seem to be able to drive their main power basically through their weapons system, then it’s like having 2x firepower up front rather than 1x rear and 1x forward, since the same power source is driving both methods. So if your ships can engage in superior manuevering and keep the enemy ahead of them, they basically gain 2x their possible firepower in ideal circumstances.

This is getting very into like, video game starship design and nitty gritty techie stuff. Not that it’s a bad thing. Just thinking about it.

You’re not the boss of me!

(looks on google)

Holy crap!

While her costuming certainly appealed to a certain demographic it is equally true that Jeri Ryan was amazing as an actor in that role and was given some fantastic writing to work with and a character arc that was more interesting than any other on the show … both of which contributed more to the show than her catsuit did.

I recall some interview at the time in which Ryan stated something along the lines of “as long they keep writing for me like that they can dress me any way they want” … the closest I can come to finding it is this one:

Seven of Nine was eye candy to be sure but the eyes stuck around because the character delivered otherwise with great writing and an actor who had the chops to pull it off. She was the Data/Spock for that show (holographic Doctor as the first attempt and while not a whiff not quite the character depth success either).

The thing with fighters is that they’re going in one specific direction, and the cannon typically points in that direction, so that pointing it is easier for the pilot. Modern, off-axis air-to-air missiles don’t have to be pointed toward the target when launched, FWIW.

But a Star Trek level ship is something far more similar to a naval ship, where the direction of the ship is not really that relevant to the targeting of the weapons, or shouldn’t be anyway.

You’d think there would be maybe front/rear phaser batteries that each cover a hemispherical arc and maybe torpedo tubes mounted amidships and firing out the sides, since the torpedoes are going to be guided and self-propelled anyway, more like an autonomous drone or missile than a “torpedo”.

And WoK-era Starfleet ships did have rear weaponry- in the battle in the Mutara Nebula, the USS Reliant fires at least one rear torpedo at the Enterprise.

Plus, the Enterprise clearly has sideways firing phaser banks- they light up the Reliant with them in the same battle.

I’d think based on those examples, it’s reasonable to assume they have rear-facing phaser and torpedo tubes on Starfleet ships.

Being married to Brannon Braga probably helped her career as well in terms of getting good storylines. He’s also one of the producers of The Orville, FWIW.

Jeri Ryan was never married to Brannon Braga, though the two of them dated for a time during her stint on Voyager, after she divorced her first husband, businessman and politician James Ryan.

And was unfortunately the model for a Roman à clef episode of Law and Order Criminal Intent called Sex Club.

Her stint on Leverage was very good. She deserves more roles.

But 7 could still have changed clothes after a season or two. Troi did. She got away from the “babe-counselor” look, eventually. The remaining Borg implants didn’t require skin tight clothes to keep them in check.

My point about turrets is that they would eliminate the need to run multple power conduits to multiple hull mounted weapons, and they also eliminate the need to roll/pitch/yaw the hull to bring the enemy into the firing arc of your weapons.

Yes, and both of those were after the first ST movie, ST:TMP, as I wrote.

I don’t recall if either of these had actual turrets, but the Rocinante ship in The Expanse can fire in many different directions at once. and the Battlestar Galactica (in the reboot series at least) had rows of guns along it’s sides that could be fired simultaneously and in a range of directions. And of course turrets abound in Star Wars.

You were warned.

It’s one of those oddities of history that we can somewhat thank Jeri Ryan getting divorced for the Obama presidency.