The Racist is back to defend himself...

You pose a good question. Why is Jesus not mentioned in the Decalration? Well, for one reason, Jefferson did not believe in the Deity of Christ. Also, the founding fathers, Christian or not (not all were Christians but most), were influenced by Deism and the wording of the Declaration reflected it . So I have to say that the word of Jesus is lacking. But can we find evidence of God in the Declaration? I say yes. Certainly, if one is searching for an explicit creedal confession of the lordship of Jesus Christ, the Declaration is woefully lacking. Too, the effects of the Enlightenment and of deistic notions give the accent of the day in the wording of our founding charter. However, the acknowledgment of the transcendent Creator-God granting certain unalienable rights and the reliance upon Divine Providence are themes which cannot be ignored. So too, the definition of these rights, “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness,” are concepts older than the Enlightenment and owe their genesis to Christian Orthodoxy as defined by the first four Ecumenical Creeds of the church. Also, the sway of Protestantism regarding the doctrine of the lesser civil magistrate and interposition is a clearly evidenced apologetic throughout the document.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
As depicted in the First Article, God’s transcendent nature is conclusively rendered. Meaning that God is the sovereign Creator who established all things visible and invisible, and who is distinct and apart from His creation (Gen. 1:1, Col. 1:16,17). Hence, the God who created you is the Lord and giver of life. It is He who sustains your body, your soul, your senses, and your reasoning faculties. It is God who provides your sustenance, your house and home, your family and property. It is God who nurtures you and protects you from all evil. He does all of these things expressly for His divine pleasure and purpose.

The concepts of liberty and freedom derived from the first article or the notion of the transcendent Creator- God are as follows:
The right to life is a liberty granted by God. It is God alone who gives life. Any unlawful taking of life is murder. Therefore, if state sanctioned, state-sponsored murder in the form of abortion is codified, you have a denial of God’s transcendence and tyranny to the unborn. Yet, this abomination is done under the aegis of a kind of “liberty” whose rhetoric is “pro-choice.” This so-called “liberty” is humanistic and God-denying, and thus ends in the persecution and the death of the unborn. Beyond the immediacy of the horrid deed itself, such tyranny leads to the destruction of whole generations, and thus a culture of death is perpetuated until that nation or culture is annihilated. Therefore, unless liberty under God is recognized, tyranny and death are the results not only for the unborn, but, eventually, for the elderly, the sick, the infirmed, and finally society as a whole.

Another principle of liberty derived from the first article is that provision, and thus personal property comes from God and God alone. The same God that created the earth gave man dominion over it. Genesis 1:26-28 depicts man possessing, ruling, and reordering the earth. Also, throughout God’s law, the possession of land is a mark of God’s blessing and provision. Therefore, your family, your home, your property, is a freedom and blessing that comes from God and not from the state!

This is the first thing you’ve said that is demonstrably true. As you, yourself, continue to demonstrate.

Hey! Where’s that cite on the Kentucky court and Washington’s Inaugural Address, Skemper?

Just because you’re a racist scumbag doesn’t mean you get to avoid backing up your claims.

Waverly,

I am disappointed. I thought that you were one of the smarter people here but when I see you use the F word, it shows that you have a polluted mind and heart. Well, there is no “Wall of separation of church and state”. That phrase is not found anywhere in our founding documents. When signing the Declaration of Independence, Samuel Adams, the father of the Revolution declared; “We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in Heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun – let His Kingdom come.” James Madison, the father of the Constitution said, “We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it…but upon the capacity of mankind for self government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to The Ten Commandments of God.”
I know that Jefferson was not a true Christian, He did not believe in the Deity of Christ!

The use of profanity only weakens your points.

To say that you believe that blacks are mentally inferior to other races weakens your whole argument that you are a “Christian”.
As far as bad language, try this essay:

FUCK - or Must Christians Adopt Bourgeois Values?

You and Lydia (and I REFUSE to call her “Lady” when she is anything but) have cited Chesterton many times.

:rolleyes:

Indeed.

You are allowed your beliefs on the abortion debate, but I wouldn’t lean to heavily on the bible. Seems to be recurring problem with you. At the risk of offending some of the more devout Christian member here, allow me provide a cite from your own Good Book™.

Where’s my cite, Skemper? Too busy down at the Klan meeting to show where a federal district court in Kentucky prevented George Washington’s Inaugural Address from being read in school?

If you want a debate on abortion, start one in GD. This thread is about racism, the Bible, and a few conspiracy loons.

So…are they still mostly nice ladies over there or have you changed your mind? :smiley:

jayjay

Going to rely on Madison now? The man who said:

and

OTOH, the quote you offer is disputed to be accurate. Get a grip, dear. You have every right to your extreme religious views, but don’t project them onto our founding fathers or our government.

As for the use of the ‘f-word.’ The word is fuck. It appears in the OED and was a carefully chosen expectative that illustrated my disgust. The fact that it is vulgar is axiomatic.

The OWNER of the site, whom I know from a costume history site, is a very nice, sweet person. I don’t know if she’s aware that some of her contributors are like this, and I don’t want to get involved.

However, if “Lady” says one more nasty thing to me, I just might.

I apologize if you feel I lit the hijack fuse, but I did use a bible quote, and it was in direct response to one of the loons.

Guin, don’t you dare direct this . . . person . . . toward my stomping grounds. This loon isn’t worthy enough to so much as glance at FriendofGod’s shadow, much less start a fundie-racist witnessing quotefest.

And where’s my damn cite, Skemper? Don’t make me start using the B-word, or the F-Word, or the C-word, or the F-C-S-B-B-B-C phrase.

Waverly. you rock.

An amiable suggestion: could you maybe consider perhaps not mentioning that sort of thing to insane bigots in the future? You know, as an option? You could view it as a time-budgetting exercise. The couple of minutes gained by not mentioning could be spent as a couple more minutes admiring Peck, for instance. Life is all about budgetting finite time.

I suppose you could have been worried that the SDMB would suffer from an insane bigot shortage, and wished to do your part to redress that lack. Don’t get me wrong, I think that’s laudable; I’m all for people looking out for each others’ well-being, but sometimes–perhaps this is one of those times, I think it might well be, but I’m just speaking one man’s opinion here–scarcity of a product does not equal the value of that product.

Just a thought. No charge.

So if (if, If) blacks are on average less intelligent than whites, acknowledging that would destroy human freedom? How?

Ah, that familiar disclaimer, predictably followed by a discharge of blatantly racist drivel. How often I have seen that. Lame, lame, lame.

You know, I wish you people would at least have the courage to step up and say that you are, in fact, racists. Embrace the term. Make it your own. Wear it as a badge of honor. Why pussy-foot around? Why try to force a ridiculous ideological marriage between being “scientific” and “Biblically correct”? Yes, it’s true that the term “racist” has negative connotations for most people, but just look at the faggots and what they’ve done with the word “queer”: not only have they come out of the closet, they’re probably having a parade right through your home town!

If you had the balls that those queers have (er, you know what I mean), you’d drop the lame disclaimer: just call yourself a racist. There’s no better word in the English language, after all, to describe your ideological stance, and you’d save yourselves (and everyone else) all that ineffective pedantic posturing. It’s not like it would alienate anyone who agrees with your cause; if anything, it would show the world that you’re not afraid to openly identify with a term simply because it’s - gasp! - politically incorrect.

So if, if, if Ryan is less inteligent than normal posters . . .

What? I’m sorry? You’d like solid proof of the predicate to that question?

You know damn well that is not what he said. ‘Describing differences’ is an acceptable activity [should they be shown to exist]; applying such subjective phrases as ‘inferior’ is obviously objectionable. In fact, this extends to any scientific investigation. Well defined, objectively supported findings are preferable to passing subjective judgment.

Hee hee. :smiley:
And from Sandy…
Okay, Sandy,

My word. At school, my Theology/Science professor (who spends all his summers in Africa as a missionary and doctor) used to pin us with his eyes, and say things like, "of course you don't know what Bible verse I'm quoting. You are, after all, biblically illiterate. In Africa, EVERYONE know the Beatitudes backwards. In Old English and Gaelic." Hello? Coptic Ethiopian Church? Christian long before the West? Hello?

About the swearing. This is the BBQ Pit. People swear here. I don't usually swear, but that's my choice.  If you're going to be offended, don't post here. 

Hm. This particular quote (taken out of context, I admit. Mea culpa) connects communism and perversion. Don’t see any logical reason to connect them, but oh, well… and it sounds like you’re more offended by the “of both races” than by the “8 women”. Yeah, can’t have white women sleeping with black men… or any racial mixture, actually. There might be more people like ME around! Horror and shock! Even though I’m still brighter than you white folks- Jan said so :rolleyes:

I also post at LAF, and still think that most of the women there are pretty nice, especially the lady who runs it, but I agree with Guin about Lydia. It’s not a debate board. My fiance calls it an “agreement board”, and it’s not for people who are looking to debate anything.

Well, yeah, but George Washington said “We must keep the Christians out of the government; if ever the Christians get into the government, then all is lost”.

I’ll give you a primary source reference for mine if you give me a primary source reference for yours. (A primary source reference is something like “letter to Angus P. Dinwiddie, August 21, 1787, The Collected Papers of James Madison, University of Virginia Press, Homer P. Snodgrass, ed., Vol XXI, p. 432”. It is not "Pastor Bob said so on Pastor Bob’s Old Time Gospel Hour and Fund-Raising Extravaganza. It also doesn’t count that Congressman the Hon. Jimmy Lee Buncombe had it inserted into the Congressional Record during one of his “Short Speeches by Blowhard Congressmen That No One But Some Poor, Underpaid Court Recorder Actually Listens To”, or whatever the official name is. With people like James Madison, everything he ever wrote–every letter, every speech, every official memo–that historians know anything about is contained in these big multi-volume sets of tomes, which you can find in your local college or university library. Go on. Give me a primary source reference for that Madison quote. Tell me when he said it or wrote it and to whom and what the circumstances were.)