The SDMB mock election debate - #5 Military and Veterans Affairs; #7 Foreign Policy

Welcome to the fifth SMDB multiparty 2008 campaign debate.

What Exit? began this series of debates, but has granted me permission to begin the final thread, as he has moved on to other SDMB pursuits. As I am a candidate myself, I will wait a few days before posting my own responses to the remaining issues.

They are:

Thread 5: Military and Veterans Affairs; please describe your stand on the U.S. use of torture and waterboarding.
Thread 7: Foreign Policy, highlighting China, Russia, Cuba & Israel and whatever seems important to people.

How does this work? Are we simulating a Hillary/Obama v. McCain v. whoever debate, and arguing actual candidates’ actual positions? Or is #7, for instance, “what should the U.S. foreign policy be?” only under another name?

Also, can you link to debates 1-4 and 6? I seem to have missed them entirely.

It’s not (necessarily) duplicating whatever the actual candidates are saying out on the stump. Each of the Doper candidates on the earlier threads may post their views as to the issues of this thread. Here are the earlier threads.

Setup thread:

Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9381128

Economy, healthcare, Social Security and poverty:
http://208.100.26.199/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9389971#post9389971

Global warming, energy policy, green issues and technology:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9400614#post9400614

Domestic issues:
http://boards.straightdope.com//sdmb/showthread.php?p=9422451#post9422451

If you’d like to declare your own candidacy here and post your views, feel free!

Green Party US Affiliate:

**Thread 5: Military and Veterans Affairs; please describe your stand on the U.S. use of torture and waterboarding. **
Protect the US and it’s interests abroad. ‘Support for men and women in the armed forces must go far beyond the rhetoric used to discredit the peace movement in the U.S. today.’ Green party platform.
Encourage panels and reform committees to work in conjunction with the joint cheifs to establish a new set of actions pertaining to the treatment of soldiers wounded during war time, follow-up treatments for soldiers with TBI injuries must be reformed, institutional support for all veterans to be subsidized by gov’t special interest committees.
Will come back to this when I get time later today.
Thread 7: Foreign Policy, highlighting China, Russia, Cuba & Israel and whatever seems important to people.
Organize joint ventures in renewable resources for China - assisting them to drastically cut their green house gas production with in a 5 year period. Open talks with Cuba and discuss joint democratic ventures under a post Castro regime.
Work with Isreal and Hamas to find an agreeable solution to the border disputes and the cultural clashes happening in their lands.
Work with all UN nations on a post Kyoto agreement that drastically reduced carbon emissions world wide.

Will come back later today :smiley: Thanks for the invite** Elendil**.

Torture and Waterboarding: It should be illegal. That’s not to say it should never be done - in the ‘ticking bomb’ scenario, for example, I can see an official making a decision that torture of the person who knows where the bomb is, which could save thousands of lives, is warranted. But that official should then be charged with a crime. If the official feel it’s important enough to warrant torture, it should be important enough to go to jail for after everything has calmed down.

Torture should never be legal, as it’s damaging to the country’s reputation and to its social fabric. And waterboarding is clearly torture by any rational definition of the word.

Merciful Og, how did this even become an issue?

We always knew such things went on now and again and nobody outside the ACLU and Amnesty International cared to make much of a fuss about it; but nobody anywhere on the political spectrum ever thought of defending them!

Libertaria First:

Military and Veterans Affairs; please describe your stand on the U.S. use of torture and waterboarding.

-The foremost priority is dismantlement of Selective Service. No individual may be compelled to serve in the military against his or her wishes. Recruitment through fraudulent means will become a felony.
-Withdrawal from Iraq; some reinforcement in Afghanistan.
-The total number of active-duty military personnel will be reduced by at least 15% (but probably more) over time.
-Long-term military bases located in Germany, South Korea, Japan, and numerous other countries are to be gradually dismantled.
-We believe in contractual obligation. Veterans’ benefits will be provided as promised. Benefits for future recruits will be determined at a later time.
-Torture as a means of interrogation will remain banned. Waterboarding is self-evidently a subset of torture.
Foreign Policy, highlighting China, Russia, Cuba & Israel and whatever seems important to people.

-We will begin to pay off the federal debt. Such dependence on other states is potentially dangerous.
-We will not meddle in CIS politics. There is no need to antagonize Russia further.
-Although we unequivocally agree that Castro is a douchebag, trade with Cuba will be resumed.
-The Israeli-Palestinian conflict will be left to the Israelis and Palestinians.
-There will be no more foreign aid nor subsidies to foreign purchases of US military technology.

Independence Party (of America);

Military and Veteran’s Affairs;

I’m of the belief that torture is bad for us on the world stage, and while stopping it now probably won’t do anything for the people that hate us already, it’ll at least help in the future (and get our alllies back on side). I’m all for making torture illegal; if a matter is important enough that it is believed it is required, then someone should be prepared to take on the burden of punishment. If they aren’t, well, why on earth do we have such people in our torturing jobs?

Veterans deserve every benefit they have been promised, and the most excellent care. Duty is to be repaid in kind. And, if nothing else, it’ll probably help with recruitment to not have horror stories in the press every couple of months.

Thread 7: Foreign Policy, highlighting China, Russia, Cuba & Israel and whatever seems important to people.

The differences we have with China are political and economic, not military. I’m not entirely sure why Russia has been suggested as a matter of interest in this part; they’re no longer the huge concern they were. Cuba-wise; I suspect that, like most matters in which there is a some not minor hate and distrust on either side, what’s needed most is time. Certainly overtures should be made to try to come to some better accomodations with the next regime, but I don’t see it as something that can be swooped upon and fixed.

As far as Israel, it’s world situation and the Palestinians go; I think the general view of us by either side is intractable enough that moving the U.S. further into the situation is just going to annoy people. Peace talks and the like are a matter for the U.N.; I don’t think taking the mantle onto American shoulders will work out all that well.

Thread 5: Military and Veterans Affairs; please describe your stand on the U.S. use of torture and waterboarding.

In the big scheme these are minutia just to be bunched in with all the other things the rest of the planet finds goofy about US. In a time of war you push the envelope with respect to the convention.

Thread 7: Foreign Policy, highlighting China, Russia, Cuba & Israel and whatever seems important to people.

China and Russia will tell us what their foreign policy is with US not the other way around. The shoe is on the other foot or soon will be. Cuba is minutia. Israel will be pitched overboard if Iraq is pitched overboard, the two are intertwined, politically, economically, and strategically.

My campaign thread: My Presidential campaign - Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share - Straight Dope Message Board

A statement by Elendil’s Heir, a candidate for the Democratic Party’s nomination for President of the United States.

Military and Veterans Affairs
The United States has the finest, strongest, best-trained, best-led military in the world, and I intend to keep it that way. Unfortunately, our ground forces are being stretched to the breaking point in Iraq and Afghanistan, with long and repeated tours of duty, stop-loss orders becoming increasingly common, and no end in sight. I would begin immediate planning for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, and carry it out as soon as practicable. The war has become unwinnable, due to egregious errors from the outset by the President and his inner circle, and no further purpose is served by keeping U.S. forces there. The country has become a training ground for Al Qaeda, our true enemy since 9-11, and is bleeding the U.S. Army and Marine Corps dry. We must also welcome far more Iraqis who have helped our forces and now seek naturalization and citizenship here.

I oppose the “Don’t ask, don’t tell” law. It has been a failure, and has caused a grave injustice to patriotic gay Americans who want to serve their country. We are even now forcing valuable men and women out of the U.S. armed forces under the policy, and I am committed to reversing it.

I am strongly opposed to secret detentions, and even more so to torture. Torture coarsens those members of our military and intelligence service who practice it, and violates international treaties to which the U.S. is a party - and which are, as constitutionally defined, the “supreme law of the land.” It corrodes the rule of law and exposes us as hypocrites, badly undercutting the basis of our real struggle against international terrorism. I agree with Sen. John McCain, who has had some personal experience in the field, that torture is a moral and legal wrong which stains our nation’s honor. It also is of extremely limited use, if any, in acquiring actionable intelligence, as our friends the Israelis have come to realize. To be blunt, in fighting our enemies, we must take care not to become them. I propose a simple test: if we would be outraged to learn that captured U.S. military personnel were subjected to a particular form of treatment, we should not practice it on our own prisoners. Waterboarding is clearly torture - we prosecuted Japanese soldiers who used it during World War II, and we were right to do so. The United States must stop torturing, and we must stop today.

We owe our veterans a debt we can never repay. One of the grimly ironic consequences of vastly-improved battlefield medicine is that far more wounded American soldiers are surviving than ever have before. This means that we have a longterm and massive responsibility to tend to their physical as well as mental wounds. I would ensure that the Department of Veterans Affairs is adequately funded, and that veterans and their families have diligent and committed advocates and ombudsmen within the VA hospital system.

Foreign Policy
My foreign policy will have a few simple goals. United States diplomacy should now strive to ensure our national security; strengthen our economic standing in the world; encourage human rights, democracy and market economies throughout the world; and restore the damage done by the arrogance and bungling of the Bush-Cheney Administration. I will bring idealistic but clear-eyed leadership to international affairs.

I want to strengthen our ties with our historic allies, particularly Great Britain, Canada, Mexico, France, Japan and Australia, and make common cause with them against the greatest threats facing humanity today: poverty, hunger, disease, terrorism, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and global climate change.

Our grotesquely large trade deficit with China should give us some leverage in ongoing negotiations, and we should encourage Chinese dissident and pro-freedom groups to the greatest extent possible. I would raise the issues of human rights and intellectual-property rights with the Chinese leadership at every opportunity. But we shouldn’t kid ourselves: China is a very large country, fast becoming a giant in the world economy, with a quickly-modernizing and extremely large military. We cannot simply dictate terms to them, if indeed we ever could.

Russia seems to be drifting into oligarchy. Vladimir Putin’s succession as president by a hand-picked bureaucrat, his announced intention to serve as prime minister, and the vigorous suppression of opposition parties and an independent media leave little doubt that democracy is now endangered in Russia. I will do what I can to reverse the trend, and to persuade Russia’s leaders that it will have a brighter future as an integrated partner with Europe than as our adversary in a new Cold War.

The Castro regime in Cuba is oppressive and backward, but the U.S. trade embargo has shown little if any useful progress after almost half a century. I doubt I would take the initiative to reverse the embargo, particularly given the uncertainties over Fidel Castro’s health and what will happen after his death, but I would keep an open mind if Congress sent me such a bill. Our goal should of course be a democratic, open and free Cuba, and a friend at our doorstep. Anything likely to bring that about would have my support.

I support, as have past administrations, any effort that will lead to a free, democratic and independent Palestine and Israel living peacefully side by side. My administration would lend its good offices to that end. I recall, however, that President Bill Clinton worked long and hard on this issue, down to the level of detail of street-by-street border redrawing in Jerusalem, all to no avail. I have no illusions as to the prospect of success on this front, but we’ve got to try.