Republicans: “That’s someone else’s fault”
The problem, ThelmaLou, is that what you’re asking is “is America better off now than it was 4 years ago” and that doesn’t have the same very personal tone that “are you better off now tan it was 4 years ago”. One is abstract and the other is very concrete, and the concrete is easier for people to assess.
Aye; anyone thinking that this mess stops because Biden gets elected is as dumb as anyone who thought this mess would stop just because Obama got elected.
If the Senate turns blue and the House remains blue, a Biden win will help enormously.
Double-aye. Winning the federal elections is the starting point for fixing America.
Remind me: how did 2008 work out?
Oh, that’s right: Trump got elected in 2016.
Maybe. It certainly didn’t work out that way in 2008.
The infamous press conference with the booklets supposedly containing thousands of documents with the details of the GOP health plan (which no one was allowed to open and examine) was one of the defining and cruelly hilarious moments of the current administration.
But while that was a huge moment to me, it caused nary a blip on Trump supporters’ radars. We’re in a shitload of trouble as a modern democracy.
Wait. Is your prospective that the country is worse off now than it was in 2007?
Is there any dispute about this? Of course this is worse.
I gained 20 pounds during Trump’s term.
Fuck you Trump!
I wildly disagree. Sure things are worse now than in 2015 but there was a lot of good between 2007 and 2015. Millions of people have healthcare now that didn’t before. Even as bad as unemployment currently is we’re still comparable to the October 2009 unemployment rate. There is more green energy production and coal has been virtually driven out of our economy dropping from 1146 short tons to 705. We have less people dying in Iraq and Afghanistan down from 899 in 2007 to 22 in 2019. Median household income has increased about from about $70.8K to to $74.6.
I’m hard pressed to come up with ways the country is worse. Trump has certainly rolled back a lot of what Obama did but there is certainly mostly good remaining. I don’t believe that will be true if Trump gets 4 more years but it still seems to be OK.
We have an imbecile at the reigns now, who knows little and cares nothing about this country’s problems and how to address them. He appointed incompetent lackeys to run the agencies of government, and appointed a large number of unqualified judges. We have no foreign policy and have cozied up to our adversaries and insulted our friends. We are worse now because a huge percentage of citizens are okay and many actively support a man who isn’t fit to be mayor of a small town. This isn’t just about jobs, war, the economy or even the environment. We have been revealed as a nation with 45% or so of its citizens indifferent to corruption, incompetence, and divisive racism. Maybe that was true in 2008, but I sure has hell didn’t know it.
I agree with all you wrote, @Procrustus.
This seems as good a place as any to put this:
A depressing read.
It does seem as though the current Republican plan, seeing as how they don’t think that they can win in November, is to leave the country in such a state of disrepair that it cannot be fixed by the next election cycle, and then blame all the problems on the Democrats.
That’s what I think, too. I’ve thought it for a long while.
That’s been their MO since W won his second term. And it boggles my mind that everyone can’t see it.
Individual 1, replying to a question as to what he would do in his second term:
“But so I think, I think it would be, I think it would be very, very, I think we’d have a very, very solid, we would continue what we’re doing, we’d solidify what we’ve done, and we have other things on our plate that we want to get done,”
Yep. And yet we are still going to do what we can to fix America, because we actually love our country, unlike the Republican Party.
We absolutely are.
A comparison between Trump and Commandant Lassard:
