I thought she kinda had a point on that one.
If you assume that once The Governor saw that Michonne was alive and well, after Merle assured him that he’d killed her, he quietly issued orders to the other security guys to keep Merle in the dark about Daryl, then it makes sense. When The Governor publicly excoriated Merle, the other security guys who moved to disarm him didn’t seem taken aback, so it seems The Governor had told them that Merle couldn’t be trusted and/or was a traitor.
I thought The Governor’s, a despotic ruler with down-home folksy ways, use of “terrorists” to describe Woodbury’s enemies was a bit on the nose.
There’s “TV hate” where you have a villain who does evil things, and then is killed by the hero. Then you have characters like Andrea, who are just bad people, and no one ever calls them on it. It makes me hate her more than the actual villains.
She didn’t exactly tell her to kill herself, she said "“The pain doesn’t go away, you just make room for it,” and left her alone. I read that as “things are shitty, and will remain so, but you can adjust to it and carry on.”
Here’s a thought I had – we don’t see what transpired between The Governor and Merle after The Governor said “I was attacked” and the very last scene. Is it possible that The Governor came up with a plan so that it would look like he was about to execute Merle and Daryl, but then an “escape” would happen, such that Daryl brings Merle back to the prison, and now The Governor has a man on the inside?
Penny was clearly not responding to any stimuli other than the meat in the bowl. That’s why the governor got so angry at the end of that scene.
I didn’t understand Michonne’s reaction to hearing zombie noises from behind a locked grate. It would have made more sense for her to see a child and open the door.
Add me to those irritated by the quota on living black guys that exists for the show.
While I don’t like Andrea, her annoyance with being detailed to doing bedchecks is at least consistent within the character. She was always really gung ho to learn to shoot, and even ended up shooting Daryl in her zeal to take out walkers.
I liked the small smile that Daryl started to show during the final scene with Merle. Made me feel like he knew something, had a plan, or was just looking forward to fighting his way out.
Meltdown, you might be onto something - remember that the governor talked to Merle earlier in the episode about using him as a mole. Might just be a plan, with Merle doing a great job of acting surprised.
Oh, no! She’s promiscuous. What a slut.
The rest are bad enough, but how dare she not have your emotional hang-ups about sex!
Yep, I think that’s it. Honestly, Merle didn’t even looked that shocked to me. He didn’t really protest at all.
The Governor just lost his eye and his daughter to Michonne after Merle lied to him about having killed her. I seriously doubt he had any plan other than to kill Merle and make an escape goat out of him.
Hm … autocorrect doesn’t recognize “scapegoat”?
Nitpick: scapegoat. Please carry on.
Re: Michonne, she seemed to assume the Governor was a pedophile and she was freeing a child.
Re: The Dixon. One thing that is interesting (and may have been mentioned and I missed it), this is the first time in the series the two brothers were on screen together in reality.
This episode should have been incredibly intense as it’s the first meeting of the two story lines but what could have been awesome drama and action fell flat for me. Overall it was a solid episode but I was taken out of it too much by stupid stuff.
Maggie should have easily killed Merle. If they wanted Merle to continue living they should have wrote it in such a way that she tried to shoot him and missed, or she was subdued before she could get the shot off. Either way that would have had the same result but less stupid.
What was the point of Rick hesitating? So we can show his hesitation cause the death of replacement token black guy?
The gunplay in the street shootout was … well stupid. Maybe the smoke they deployed was wussy for TV so you could still see the actors, but I have a hard time that little smoke would make them unable to be seen as they walk along the street. And Rick’s group could shoot just fine while engulfed in it, but somehow it created a cloud of invulnerability for them inside of it. Rick’s group had, what 4 people shooting, Rick, Maggie, Oscar, and Daryl. Woodbury had at least a dozen or so? Shooting a target at what looked like 2-400 feet away with rifles was incredibly easy against the National Guard, but against Rick’s group they suck balls. The gun fight totally took me out of it.
The Michone character is getting comically stupid. First, the Governor is disarmed and you kill the zombie daughter. Apparently she wasn’t prepared to get attacked after that because while she was armed with her magical sword that can do no wrong, the Governor is somehow able to get the jump on her. That should have been the end of the Governor. If they wanted that scene to play out the way it did, maybe Michone puts down her sword to de-hood the zombie daughter and is surprised and without her sword. She uses an improvised blunt object weapon and while about to kill her the Governor walks in. As he does so, Michone is still without her sword as she put it down before. Still works, and she looks less stupid.
Next, face to face with Andrea, the girl you’ve protected and been with for the better part of 9 months, and you can’t say a single word to explain. How about, “Merle kidnapped Glenn and Maggie and I’m here with Rick to save them.”
I liked the show, but all the parts that could have been great drama were lessened by stupid.
It also didn’t make a ton of sense for them to have smoke. What do you need smoke grenades for in a prison? Now teargas would make sense. In fact, our group taking gas masks from the prison armory and using tear gas to cover their infiltration of Woodbury would make way more sense than that big firefight. Would’ve been more clever and just as dramatic with less stupid.
Yes, that’s exactly what I meant.
This was my thinking exactly, the whole thing felt like a set-up to me to get Daryl to trust Merle and end-up with a man on the inside. Didn’t they discuss earlier in the episode about getting a man inside?
The only thing against this is what was mentioned earlier - Merle did tell the Gov that Michonne was dead. Clearly the Gov now knows Merle lied. Not a large leap to conspiracy for the Gov in that situation.
Gonna be a long wait until February!
There was one shot of one of the defenders looking right down at Daryl and firing off a burst from a machine gun at him and missing completely from about no further than ten feet that drove me crazy. Also the Shane lookalike completely ignoring Rick who was RIGHT THERE to take out token black guy who was much further away with a shot gun.
Yup. She’s seriously getting on my nerves.
Yup. “You understand - we don’t know you, and we’ve had some bad experiences with strangers before, so please don’t take it too personally.”
I don’t think that would work, though - Glen would kill Merle the first chance he has.
Has anyone mentioned yet how irritating it was that Rick didn’t pick up the gun he walked right past when he shot the Shane look-alike? Another gun would never be amiss in the Zombie Apocalypse. I guess we have to put that one down to him being rattled by feeling his cheese sliding off his cracker.