It would have made a lot more sense to take Carol into an unknown situation than a pregnant person.
Oh, just say pregnant WOMAN.
The distinction is obvious.
Hell, she would have killed Gregory and anyone else in the room.
“Everyone, look at the flowers!”
Pickles?
yes you can can regular Cukes as pickles.
Abe is gonna die, or lose one babe while she saves the other or some such silliness.
Just watched it tonight.
I missed something - why did the guy suddenly stab Gregory?
Loved Rick turning around, looking at everyone and saying “What?” after he stabs the dude in the neck.
You say that like they’re puppies.
Apocalypses tend to jade people, if they weren’t already.
Negan, the main bad guy, would kill his brother if he didn’t kill Gregory.
They have a lousy effort-to-calories ratio. Pickles are nice, if you can get the stuff to can them with. But there are so many more crops that provide more bang for the sweat equity. And they need some livestock themselves. Whatever happened to Tabitha the goat?
Walkers got her. Morgan took her to the bury patch and Morgan and the Cheesemaker buried her.
Carol, Morgan, Gabriel, and Eugene remained in Alexandria. Someone’s got to defend/rebuild the place.
It seems that the writers are making the effort to put the pieces in place for another big conflict (pick all that apply - violence, sexual tension/relief, birth, abandonment, PTSD, disease) down the road. Just enough to keep our interest and hopefully we’ll tune in next week.
They didn’t act like puppies. Nor can I construe this as jaded. Insensate at least, or anesthetized, practically comatose even. Puzzling, at any rate.
Puppies – and people – should either (1) make their way (run, walk, meander, gravitate…) toward the newly arrived items of possible interest, or (2) move (run, walk, meander…) inside, away from a possible danger. We expect to see this in every Western when the bunch of unknown riders gallops into town. Women, children, and timid men whisk each other off to positions of presumed safety, while bolder folks step out onto the sidewalks to see what’s happening. Not here though. By definition, their reactions were not an accident. So we are left to wonder exactly what the writers were trying to convey in having everyone simply ignore the appearance of strangers.
We have to guess at lots of things in TWD series. Some seem to be harbingers of important future plot twists and turns, but we’ve seen other things given apparent great build-up only to then disappear without a trace. And still other plot twists jump suddenly into full fruition without any build-up or lead-in. So are the insensate townspeople harbingers, or just wasted and unnecessary plot devices?
I know it would be going down a moral spiral, but once the attack in the new place happened and the surrounding people threatened them with spears, they should have just killed everyone and taken their food. I’m not sure what the upside to volunteering to go on an offensive mission with no information is. Why settle for 1/2 with risk when you can get full with no risk. Probably keep the doctor alive. The group is just way too trusting.
Well, they seem to think that this settlement is another group of good people just trying to get along, and succeeding in some ways that their own group isn’t. They have food, and some livestock. A doctor. Ideally the two groups would join, or trade, and be mutually beneficial. Killing them all doesn’t replenish your numbers, skill sets, etc. regardless of the temporary boost in food stores. It’s a moral issue, but it’s also a long term strategy issue; try not to kill potential allies who have skills. Negan didn’t kill 'em all and take all the food either.
From Rick’s perspective, Hilltop is almost irrelevant. All that matters right now is that there’s an organized, hostile force nearby. Odds are 100% that this hostile force will find and (attempt to) subjugate Alexandria. It’s not a question of if, or even when, really. At this point he’s probably thinking discovery and conflict is imminent.
In the zombie apocalypse, the best defense is a good offense. Rick’s group would have fared much better if they’d had intel about the Governor’s second group (with the tank) and mounted an offense against them in their homes instead of (unknowingly) just waiting behind their fences and walls for the enemy to come steamroll them.
Same deal with the wolves. How many fewer casualties and how much less property damage would Alexandria have suffered if Rick & Co. had mounted a covert assault on the Wolves home base instead of waiting to be surprise attacked themselves?
Hilltop’s intel has provided Rick the opportunity for a do-over, to right past mistakes. Mounting an offensive is likely to be the best option, though of course mainstream spoilers all point to it not going so great. But waiting to be attacked definitely wouldn’t work out great either, so I side with Rick on this one.
^^ Yep, all of that, too. From Abe and Daryl running into some of them on the road (close to home?) and knowing what kind of characters they are, I don’t think Rick has any doubt that they’ll discover and besiege Alexandria before long.
That’s all well and good and I don’t necessarily disagree…but it’s been weeks since they knew about Neegan’s group. Just from the little interaction that Daryl had, they should have known there was a local hostile group but they did shit about it. I mentioned that in last week’s thread too, it just seems pretty clueless to go about your business when you know this other hostile group is out there. They should have been on the offensive before meeting the Hilltop group. Shit the Hilltop group could have been Neegan’s group for how trusting they were.
I voted ‘meh’ on this episode for one reason - it emphasized just how wrong The Walking Dead is when it comes to what it would take to survive after society ends.
They tried to pay lip service to this by showing both communities running out of things and being forced to trade to keep going. But the actual amounts of goods involved were ridiculously too small, as were their pathetic little gardens and a pen of animals.
In modern factory farming, it takes about an acre of land to feed a person for a year at typical modern caloric intake levels. That means a community of 50 people would need 50 acres of land just for basic food, assuming they had full access to machinery, fertilizers, processing facilities, etc. Reverting back to the farming practices before mechanization and modern agricultural science would probably increase that by a large factor. So we’re talking about hundreds of acres of farmland to support Alexandria - not a few cute little garden plots inside the compound.
Then you need animals - draft animals for pulling plows or turning water wheels, horses for transportation, cows and pigs and chickens for meat and dairy - all of those require fences, and grain for food, and people to care for them - people who then won’t be available to work in the fields.
Take away the modern stuff, and you’re back to subsistence farming. As in, 16 hours per day of back-breaking toil just to grow enough calories to allow you to do it again the next day.
Once society breaks down, a clock starts running. After a year or so, gasoline held in reservoirs starts to break down. Within maybe 5 years, there’s no usable gas left. All the vehicles stop working. If you solve the gas problem, eventually rubber breaks down, flexible lines and hoses degrade, etc.
Once your mechanized transport system is dead, the scavenging stops - especially if you’ve already scavenged the local area. Now you have to make it on what you’ve already got. Especially if the land is filled with zombies.
So… You’ve got maybe 3-5 years to start up a self-sustaining economy. The most important people to have then would be farmers, engineers, blacksmiths, and other people handy with their hands. And everyone would have to be putting in back-breaking days of hard work to try to prepare as best as possible for when that happens. They damned sure wouldn’t be sitting around chatting all the time, or walking around outside aimlessly as background.
Power would be a huge deal. You would want to have a crash program of trying to set up as much solar power as you could find, along with as many spare inverters and other necessary electronics as you could find. Wind power has moving parts and would eventually fail. Solar will last a lot longer.
And even then, the odds of surviving long enough to begin building a real future would be very long. You need a lot of people to survive so that you can have some specialize in maintenance, sewing, exploring, etc while the others do the farming. You need genetic diversity. You need people who can care for children. You’re going to have a certain percentage of sick people once all the modern drugs break down. So the very first priority would be to find as many people as you can before the vehicles stop working, and to figure out how to secure enough farmland from walkers that you can reasonably hope to survive.
And it goes on and on. The Walking Dead is just hopeless in this regard. Everyone on the show is heading for a slow death by starvation or disease, making the walkers rather a moot point. This episode, where they addressed the shortages in a wholly inadequate way, just made that clearer.
The thing is, the show would be much more interesting if they were more realistic about this. It would give them ways to create drama without having to come up with an enemy of the week and without having to make the characters behave in incredibly stupid ways just to put them into dramatic situations.
You know what your problem is, Sam?
Your problem, Pal, is that you confuse people with the facts!
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