Conscience.
Yeah, I have to wonder how many people Negan has if he can just shrug off a loss of 40 goons.
In all fairness, Polly was a secretary before the apocalypse. Not a soldier like Abe, a cop like Rick or even a survivalist like Daryl. For all the amount we like to make fun of all the dumb decisions and plans they make, we should keep in mind that most of the survivors in The Walking Dead didn’t have any training in weapons, hand to hand combat, close quarter battle, small unit tactics, interrogation, infiltration, military strategy, or any of the other situations they encounter each week before the apocalypse. And we don’t really see them taking time to formally drill in these hobbies. They are basically normal people who found a bunch a guns and knives and managed to survive against a bunch of zombies and other idiots who found a bunch of guns and knives. At the end of the day, for all the tough talk, we were basically watching a battle between a farm girl and a battered housewife against a secretary, an old lady with emphysema and some other idiot.
That said, it is getting a bit ridiculous how they can all just “miracle” their way out of any restraints.
Well, you can say the same about Carol.
Are we supposed to think that NEGAN is an acronym?
yes, or something like one.
Not
Everyone
Gives
A
Nickel?
He did.
And further, Carol has never been shown to be a particularly good fighter. What makes her a badass is how cold-blooded she is. Or, was, when she was murdering sick people in cold blood because they had the flu, or shooting little girls in the back of the head from point-blank range.
Thinking about the 40 confirmed (by Talking Dead “in memoriums”) kills, I’m starting to view this entire series in a different light. This show is essentially the story of how Rick’s group roams the countryside looking for large groups of people and then slaughtering them to the last man. Even their allies end up on the receiving end of their scorched earth policy.
How many hundreds of people combined have they killed or gotten killed from the goombas near Hershel’s farm (half dozen or so), the prison inmates, Woodbury and Woodbury #2 (several dozen at least), Terminus (several dozen), Beth’s hospital, the claimers, the Wolves, Negan’s guys, and even their “friends” from Alexandria and Hilltop?
The governor was shown to be evil because he ruthlessly killed the soldiers that had that tank without giving them a chance. Rick would totally do that given the same scenario.
Negan is said to be evil because he kills a person from each new community to show he means business. That’s essentially what Rick did with the prison inmates, hatcheting that one guy in the head for looking at him funny.
Our group desperately needs the calm, rational perspective of Shane to mellow them out.
EDIT: And of course, the obvious message from the episode, wielded with the subtlety of a sledgehammer: You’re not the good guys…because there are no good guys. There is only Us and Them.
Next Episode Gets Another “Negan”?
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The Savior radio chatter was interesting.
Omega, omega. Saviors down. Go to gamma code fire.
Alpha channel is not clear, we follow the protocol.
Where the hell are you guys?
(garbled response)
We’re headed to the break point. Switch to Beta channel, same code. If I’m not there,
toggle to Alpha, listen in.
Negan’s group communications seems to be very well organized.
Carol’s hyperventalating Susie-homemaker/little bird act, informing the Negan women that Maggie was pregnant, and complaining about the smoking seemed to have confused the Saviors as to whom they had captured. It wasn’t little bird Susie Homemaker, it was Audie Murphy, times two.
While Negan’s group was interrogating Carol, Carol was interrogating the Saviors. I think Carol recieved more information than she gave out.
I wish the writers would have spent a little more time exploring red-headed Paula’s character. I would have liked to hear more about the beginning of the ZA in DC. And why, specifically, did Paula kill her boss? We’re they running out of food? Did he try to rape her? Did he ask for one more god damn cup of coffee? Is he still walking DC with the shards of a dozen broken coffee cups up his wazoo?
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nitpick - 7 bikers were rpg’ed but there were 8 bikers. Daryl killed T (?) behind the gas truck.
Pause the accompaning overhead video at 0:16. Zoom in on the bikers.
2 bikers on the left, 2 bikers on the right, 4 bikers in the middle.
Also pause at 1:56 and 2:30. All 8 bikers are on screen.
And then there were 7.
And then there were none.
Bikers to the left of me,
Bikers to the right, here I am,
RPGed in the middle by Daryl
Great point.
The video I found was just the explodey part, with a very short establishing shot right before they went boom. I totally forgot the guy with Daryl.
I’ve been trying to come up with an analogy of how crazy I think Rick’s group is in their policies regarding outsiders. At first I was thinking of a tortured ancient civilization example, like they’re Vikings who laid waste to the Gauls and the Teutons but now have accidentally attacked Rome.
But then I realized a much better, far more contemporary analogy: They are Nazis, and Rick is Hitler. Woodbury was Poland, Terminus was the Nordic states, Beth’s hospital was England, the Wolves were France, but now, unfortunately, this salvo against Negan is their Pearl Harbor. (Just go with it, he’s on a roll.)
I think we are watching different shows. There are some morally ambiguous scenes. But for the most part Rick’s group is far more compassionate and just than any of the groups they’ve run into that led to conflict.
They have to allow some in - they allowed alot of Woodbury refugees in - they have to have them so the primary 7 never die.
Rick’s group has moved from ‘we don’t kill others’ -> ‘kill others to protect ourselves’ over the course of the seasons - which makes sense given that every season they (Ricks group) has been put at odds by the people they attempted to join or help.
The first exception to this was the new group - but thanks to the Wolves (likely going to happen anyway) - all but a select few were again killed.
Rick will generally give you a chance to ‘do the right thing’ - but he is now Shane, and Morgan isn’t strong enough to oppose.
Ahem… The title of the thread is The Walking Dead; 6.13 “The Same Boad” (open spoilers)
The scenes in question came from this weeks show appearing while the credits were rolling.
It feels that way, but it’s like a frog who doesn’t realize he’s now in boiling water. They started off nobly, but it’s become clear that they’re as bad or worse than any group they’ve encountered.
They just snuck into a camp in the middle of the night and stealthily murdered an entire community while they slept. That’s about six steps eviler than the Governor ever dreamed of being.
They just killed 21 people in a single night. 21 people is a huge community, and that’s clearly just an outpost for what at this point would have to be consider a nation. Rick’s group is just a ruthless band of mercenaries.
With the size and organization of Negan’s group, Rick’s group’s best move would have been to join Negan. Become a vassal of Rome.
That tried to kill Ape, Darryl and company.
Nope. Those were scenes from next week’s show. Those of us who don’t want to see scenes from next week’s show don’t watch that even if it is appearing during this week’s show’s credits. I don’t watch the “exclusive scene from next week’s show” during Talking either.
I don’t think that is clear at all.
A community that goes around and murders people in order to keep the others scared and steal from them. There is no comparison to anything the governor did. Rick’s group is protecting good people and weeding out monsters.
So instead of cooperating with Jesus’s group you think the “moral” thing to do would have been to join Negan? ok then.