Rick did use a brick to bash someone’s head until they were dead.
So we got another new group’s name for walkers this episode: growlers.
So far we’ve had:
Rick & Company: walkers
Governer/Woodbury: biters
Hospital people: rotters
Alexandrians: roamers
Merle (he might have been the only one to use this term): creepers
Terminus: cold bodies
Abraham’s group prior to being assimilated by Rick: dead ones
Of course, the “z” word shall never, ever be spoken.
Thanks. FTR, I don’t see why people get so bent out of shape about even addressing the comics, it’s not like it’s a direct adaption, fer fucks sake some of the best characters never even came from the comics (Darryl for instance). Something was definitely sent in a stupid direction when Game of Thrones discussions on the internet went all weenie on that sort of thing, and people with common sense should be able to tell the difference between “holy crap you just ruined the whole story” (which is absolutely bullshit) and simply discussing the way they differ and such. I do think you probably should have at least spoilerboxed the stuff about who was cast in the role, as that’s a show spoiler and not comic info, but I’m not going to cry and cut myself over it,
Seems to me that Rick’s yo-yo-ing moral ambiguities are part and parcel of the series. He TRIES not to be a bad guy, but periodically, he decides that icing someone is preferable to dealing what the consequences of NOT icing someone. This is mirrored with Daryl’s regrets in not killing Dwight Burntface when he had the chance.
Sure, there are differences. Before the fall of Terminus we get PLENTY of opportunity to see the evil and depravity of the place. We WANT it to burn to the ground.
With the Saviors? Mostly informed. We have one evil biker gang that namedrops Negan, and we have the Hilltop people’s word for it. This is pretty scant, but Rick decides it’s worth acting on, and he murders a buncha people in their sleep. The only issue is (I’m betting) that the Saviors are a much bigger widespread bunch than Rick anticipated, and that they won’t be easily dealt with by blowing up a propane tank, like in Terminus.
Moral ambiguity SHOULD be an issue in the postapocalypse.
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That “buncha people” at the Negan outpost were known kidnappers, murderers, and extortionists. The question Rick proposed to the Alexandrian’s was whether the Alexandrian’s should wait for Negan’s group to find Alexandria and deal with the situation at that time, or should they take the fight to Negan’s group and make the deal with the Hilltoppers. Once the decision was made, it makes sense that Rick’s group would deal with the outpost Saviors as quickly and quietly as possible. Justifiable homicide in a land with no laws.
I suppose they could have invited the Saviors to have a shootout in the street but the hostage, the deal with the Hilltoppers, and some (all?) of Rick’s group could have been killed.
*Nick the Grub (Jackson gang: [Bean has shot Bad Bob from ambush with a buffalo rifle] Damn, Judge! You shot him in the back!
Whorehouse Lucky Jim (Jackson gang: Appears like he shot him in the back and the front! Judge, you didn’t give him no chance!
Judge Roy Bean (Paul Newman): He’d didn’t deserve a chance. If he wanted a chance; he should have gone somewhere else.
- The Life And Times Of Judge Roy Bean*
I think the term “Lame Brains” was used by some one shots.
Anyone who goes out with Glenn is zombie chow. They are like the guys who beam down to the planet with Captain Kirk (how did they get anyone to go with him?)
Yes, if you are wearing a red shirt on a landing party, you should suddenly discover that you left the coffee pot on, forgot your wallet, or really, really need to pee.
“Known kidnappers, murderers and extortionists.” Known by the Hilltop bunch, but not by Rick’s group. And Jesus, while he seems like a good guy, did NOT have the best introduction to Rick’s group, and I’d be a mile away from trusting Hilltop, based on their leader.
Admittedly, everything you say is proven true AFTER Rick and company break into the satellite station and get all murdery. Rick’s decision turns out to be the right one, albeit one that will lead to more of a mess due to the fact that the number of Saviors seems to depend on how many they need at any given time.
While I agree that Team Grimes’s assault on Negan remains morally dubious, the fact that the latter group exchanged a living prisoner for a decapitated head very strongly supports the notion that they are kidnappers and extortionists, at least.
Daryl’s encounter with the three Negan runaways and Daryl, Ford, and Sasha’s encounter with Negan’s bikers took place before Rick’s group were introduced to the Hilltop group.
Negan’s bikers were kidnapping Daryl, Ford, and Sasha. The biker’s leader convinced me (ACTING!) that he was going to murder either Ford or Sasha or both as the Savior’s way of introducing themselves to newcomers.
The extorionist claim came later. That would have been from the Hilltoppers description of the alledged treatment given the Hilltoppers.
It appears that, to date, the Saviors have lost more fighters than Alexandria has remaining residents. And they keep popping up. The Savior’s foraging groups have 3+ times the number of Alexandria foraging groups. Anyone one with a map and pencil can see the locations where the Saviors have lost fighters, and that trail is leading towards the quadrant where Alexandria is located. Tick tock, tick tock.
Maybe Carol is right (for the wrong reason). Now might be a good time to get outta Dodge. If the Saviors territory is to the East, West seems like a good place to go.
I don’t see how Carol’s reasons can possibly be “wrong.” She isn’t trying to persuade anyone to become pacifistic, or arguing that Alexandria can live in peace with the Saviors. She is saying that she, personally, has reached the point that she can no longer bear the weight of killing. Who can judge Carol’s psychic landscape better than she herself?
Otherwise, you’re Ensign Ricky.
If I were a jerk – which, of course, I am – I would point out that nothing lethal ever happened to the two most prominent red-shirters (Scott and Uhura), and, anyway, the “Red Shirt = Death” thing only applies to the TOS, the shortest-lived of the live-action series. But the only purpose of doing that would be to start a fistfight.
Chosing to wander alone in the ZA when she has food, shelter, and friends who truly care about her, is the wrong choice. Carol could have a few sessions with psychiatrist Doc Denise, but she’s dead. Carol could talk to the cheese making psychiatrist, but he’s dead too. He did help Morgan with his ZA related PTSD. All Carol, or anyone else, has at this time is their friends.
(Of course, I’m ignoring whatever the writers have in store for Carol and the storyline.)
The point being that it’s a very dangerous world and Carol will have to sleep sometime, and somewhere. That’s easier to do with someone to watch your back.
It seems that Carol can no longer kill the living. Besides Morgan, there may be other people in Alexadria who can’t kill the living for various reasons. Leaving her friends, and support group, at Alexandria isn’t going to prevent Carol from encountering a situation where she will be force to choose killing, or not killing, the living.
Is there any chance that the thread title can be fixed? I keep reading it as “The Same Broad” or “The Same Board”.
And bored it what I am getting of this series. There’s no mystery left to it. All the huge build-ups have been pretty much letdowns (as far as the scary bad men go: The Guvnor, The Termites and The Wolves). Plus, with no cure in sight, eventually the show will consist of Carl and a can of pudding.
Don’t get me wrong: I’ll keep on watching. But it’ll be the next day or maybe 3 days later.
Rick’s group had a run in with Negan’s group which resulted in them all being blown up by Daryl. Negan’s Bikers (band name) tells them that it’s their standard operating practice to just outright kill at least one person so they get their point across. So it’s not like Rick’s group was making that decision solely by what they learned from Hilltop.