What does “we take it” mean? Does it mean that Rick’s group will out vote the Alexandrians? Does it mean that Rick’s group will work to convince the Alexandrians that there is a whole world of shit outside the walls that the Alexandrians have yet to experience? Does it mean that Rick’s group will kill every Alexandrian?
What actually happened is that Rick’s group worked with the Alexandrians to make Alexandria a better, and safer, place to live. The Wolves and Walkers attacked Alexandria. Because of Rick’s group’s involvement, some of the Alexandrians were able to survive the attacks. Rick’s group did “take” Alexandria but not by killing the Alexandrians.
The implication was that they would take it by force - whatever that ends up meaning - since it didn’t pan out that way, we will only be able to ‘debate’ it, and the signs point in both directions.
While its clear in most situations, Rick’s group is the ‘hero’ group that will look for peacufull means and grow the numbers - they are not above taking lives and leaving people behind as needed.
the most recent episode - with outright attacking the ‘saviour’ on behalf of ‘hilltop’ (with a side of protecting ourselves) is a divergence from earlier Rick and crew activities - it is what Shane recomended just prior to his death (as an attitude).
The implication is what we (you and I) believe it is. You assume they mean to take it by force. I assume Rick’s group will take it by escalating means starting with conversations. That may include an eventual violent response to a violent situation.
Shane tried to kill Rick on several occasions. Shane killed Otis(?) because Otis was retreating as fast as Shane was. (WTH? I should be able to outrun this fat guy? Should I just shoot him or should I ask him how many bullets he has left? He might be able to shoot me if I shoot him.)
I learn a lot of stuff from watching “Talking” that was unclear to me either because it was poorly conveyed in the actual show or I’m just a dumb guy. I do mute and look away during the “exclusive scene from next weeks episode” and the subsequent comments about the scene from the “Talking” panel. Thank goodness AMC doesn’t spoil the show during its premier broadcast as you’ve reported happens on reruns.
I even avoid the “previously on ‘The Walking Dead’” that comes just before the new show starts as those scenes sometimes tip too much about what the upcoming show is going to emphasize.
What can I say? I just find that my enjoyment of the show is greater going in with zero knowledge of the contents. I know this is at odds in a world where movie trailers reveal the entire story in abbreviated form and the studios justify this because their studies show people like knowing as much as possible about a movie before they go to see it.
The implication of ‘we take it’ is rarely - ‘we’ll sit around the fire and come to some form of mutual kumbaya moment’ - since they had been invited in to ‘join’ - the initial conversations were functionally complete.
In any event -
re: Shane - Shane’s attitude - made more apparent with the death of Otis - is that he was willing to kill anyone that he percieved as a threat - he killed Otis (well, wounded, so that the walkers had an easier target) instead of helping him or working together. Torward the end of season 2, he saw Rick as more and more of a threat (specifically to Lori and Carl) since Rick was generally unwilling to just kill people (kid they had tied up in the barn) that ‘mihgt’ be a threat.
The most recent episode shows that Rick’s attitude is more like Shane’s, and less like Rick of Season 1 and 2.
You’re not a dumb guy. There are story line holes you could drive a Del Arno Foods truck thru. I believe if someone wants to closely follow the story line, they have to watch TTD.
But this is a ZA. It has to have some holes in the story.
AMC did show the “See how Maggie and Carol’s escape was created at AMC dot com after the show” commercial during the live show. I couldn’t provide the time frame for the live show. Maybe someone who recorded the live show could provide the time?
During the premier broadcast of the new episode of “Walking”? That’s terrible. Luckily I leave the room and do other stuff during the lengthy commercial breaks so I didn’t see that. I would have been pissed.
As I recall, it came much later in the live show, like the last commercial break before the show ends. Going off memory so apply salt heavily, I think Maggie and Carol were free of their restraints by that time and had killed Bloody Cough, but hadn’t yet had the final confrontation in the hallway. Considering the escape was in motion at that point and the teaser doesn’t really say whether it was successful or not, I don’t recall it being too spoilery.
Loved this episode. Best one of the season, maybe. Good characterization, good dialog, good suspense.
As for Rick being evil… He’s definitely skirting the line. But you all forgot about the most evil thing he’s done: When Beth was being held in the hospital, Rick’s group took a cop hostage. Remember, they had no reason to believe he was a bad guy, and he gave every appearance of just being a decent person trying to survive. Yes, he headbutted someone and ran away, but I might do that too if I thought I was going to be killed.
So Rick goes after the guy, and finds him hobbling down the street, still bound up. He was no threat to anyone. So what does Rick do? Stop and take him easily back into custody? Nope. He runs him down, breaking his back. Then he shoots him in the head while he’s helpless. And why? Because Rick had a principle that you only get one chance to play along, or he would kill you.
That’s pretty damned cold. And pretty evil. And as it turned out, the guy he killed was a decent man, and had been vouched for as such by the guy who escaped from the hospital. Rick killed him anyway, just for breaking Rick’s rule.
They took him hostage when he was trying to recapture Noah, who had escaped from being held captive by the cop’s group. That same groups was holding Beth hostage as well, and Rick’s group knew that from Noah.
Rick didn’t have to kill him, but he did know the cop was working with a group that kidnaps people and uses them for labor, including one from their own group. (My recollection is that they didn’t know Carol was also being held at the hospital, but I could be wrong.)
