I haven’t seen the movie, but it’s established that Wolverine’s healing factor negates a lot of the effects of aging - he doesn’t wrinkles, saggin or age spots, his metabolism isn’t slowing, he’s not accruing cell damage (iirc). An old person with his ability wouldn’t revert to 20, but they should get back to Logan’s perpetual mid-30s/early-40s look.
Since his hair and beard grew back to a specific pattern after getting atom bombed, shouldn’t that have happened to him as well?
I’m very forgiving of comic book movies, but yeah, this one stuck out for me, too.
And me…
I quite liked it, particularly in comparison to Origins, though yeah, it was filled with cliches and a few glaring plot holes, notably Logan having memory of WW2. My biggest issue was just that Logan and Mariko had zero chemistry. It really would have worked a lot better to perhaps let her be in love with him and let him be a protector for her, but not just have them fall into bed together.
He hoped that Wolverine would willingly give him his healing factor and that he wanted to die, but I imagine that he planned for the likelihood that he would reject the proposal and thus built that suit able to fight him in addition to keeping him alive.
I don’t think it should have, it probably should have healed him to some full adult age similar to how Wolverine is. Although, I guess it’s possible that since he was stealing the healing factor maybe he found another way to manipulate it and make himself younger.
My immediate thought when seeing it was that he needed to access the bone marrow which is part of the lymphatic system and thus part of the immune system, so I could imagine in a comic book way that extracting it could be used to his ends. If that’s the case, it isn’t accessible with a needle because of the adamantium.
It seems a common trope that dreams incorporate things happening to the person while they’re asleep. Perhaps she was putting the spider in him in his sleep and it affected his dream with Jean in it or he some how sensed something was going on but didn’t actually awake until after she was done. She likely had nothing to do with the dream part, they just wanted to tie it together and let us know that he knew something was wrong.
I definitely noticed this too. To some extent I can fan-wank that maybe he hadn’t lost his healing powers, they were just greatly weakened, after all, he was running around and fighting with multiple gunshot and stab wounds and they did look like they were slowly healing over the following days. So, maybe his claw wounds just healed more quickly. Still, they did fail to even wrap up his hands or whatever. So, it’s still a mistake.
I enjoyed it. I liked it more than Iron Man 3 or Wolverine Origins. I didn’t have a problem with any alleged lack of chemistry. I like to two female heroes and was glad the made it, instead of dying pointlessly to give the hero motivation. They did have more chemistry with each other than with Wolverine though. (Insert obvious leering comment here.) Yeah, it was comic book Japan, where you can’t swing a cat without hitting a ninja or a Yakuza, but I enjoy that fantasy realm. It’s no more fantastic than the movie old west, or movie medieval Europe. I liked the human element and the fact it could almost have been a Bourne movie, though I get that YMMV. I didn’t find the second act slow or boring at all.
Most of the technical stuff I just ignore or maybe fanwank. Wolverine’s Amneisa wasn’t 100%, a few things leaked through; His hands were so used to the claws by now, they just slid out without needing regenerative powers; his abilities were not completely suppressed.
Wow, listening to you folks, I wonder what movie I saw. I saw a very entertaining movie. I was going to put it up as a counterexample to the other big SF hit this year that got people so worked up in disgust. This movie had strong characters, the plot made sense and didn’t have many stupid “why did they do that?” or “he wouldn’t do that” moments. Unlike that other movie where every event was one of those.
It did take me a bit to figure out why he was so mopey at the beginning - oh yeah, he had to kill Jean Grey, the woman he loved, because she went evil. That can mess a guy up.
My biggest complaint was I don’t see the point of the love affair between Logan and Mariko. It seemed shoehorned in, not authentic. Like the studio said “we have to have a love story element”. Because at that moment, both of them were pining away for someone else. Logan was still deeply pent up over Jean (so much so he dreams about having conversations with her dead spirit or something) and Mariko was kinda pining over her boyfriend, Harada, that she wasn’t allowed to be with. Yet being on the run and soggy from the rain, they just kinda started making out. It seemed forced and unnecessary.
I guess the eventual point is they used his rediscovered love for someone new to motivate him off his ass and back to being Wolverine, but I don’t think it was necessary. Couldn’t his finding peace with Jean’s death coupled with the needs of the lady drive him to be her hero without being her lover?
The rest of the confusing points all seemed to be explained eventually.
Except for the fact that the major element of the plot required Logan to be there during WWII and then be the same age in 2013, and have magic regenerating powers that the antogonist wants for himself. Um, yeah, sure, Jason Bourne.
smiling bandit explains it pretty well. Mariko’s father (Shingen?) tried to be everything that his father (Yashida) wanted, became a businessman and swordsman and all, but never felt loved or supported, while he watched Yashida dote away on his own daughter. That’s gonna make some people bitter. Then to be told his father passed him over and handed the whole thing to Mariko instead, just when he felt it should be his turn to take the helm? Giant back stab, bitterness turns to rage.
Harada has two primary goals. 1. Service to House Yashida, and therefore service to Yashida and Yashida’s goal of getting the regeneration secret from Logan. 2. Love of Mariko, and following Yashida’s direction to protect her from harm. So every flip-flop of Harada’s behavior follows directly from the interplay between those motivations and the circumstances. First, Logan is helping protect Mariko from the abduction. Later, the point is to capture Logan and bring him in to serve Yashida’s plans. When Mariko stabs him to reject her grandfather’s crazy plan and help Logan, Harada faces his two primary motivations at odds with each other. Does he serve Yashida’s crazy plan, or serve House Yashida and protect the love of his life?
There were a lot of situations where she was greatly outnumbered by the enemy. The weakest moment here was probably the abduction from the safe house by only two Yakuza.
We only see three white women, so the sample size is small. The first, she’s thought to be a prostitute when running around the sleazy alleys in the sex corridor, dressed up in fancy clothes with pretty makeup and hair. Every other woman there dressed half as well probably was a prostitute, so it was an easy mistake to make. The other two were the prostitutes that the Ministry guy (Mariko’s fiance) had with him. I suppose they could just as easily have been Japanese prostitutes without changing the story, so why they were white prostitutes isn’t stated, but it isn’t really much of a big deal that they were white.
Cuckoorex has one fairly simple idea.
Yes, her chin didn’t fit her forehead or something.
IMDB says she’s only been in two other things, one in 2010 and one as herself in 2013.
That might have helped the relationship angle feel more real.
Would have been nice, but they had a lot to squeeze in.
You’re a crazy billionaire with schemes of living for eternity, assuming you can get transfer the ability from another person who probably doesn’t want to give it up. Said person has instant healing and an adamantium skeleton. And mutant strength. Do you want to rely on mere steel, or do you want the best in indestructible metal armor suits? If I’m a crazy billionaire building a giant samarai robot life support suit of armor, I’m definitely making it out of the toughest shit I can get my uber-rich paws on.
Wolverine’s clock appears to be set in adulthood at some reasonably healthy state and prevents him from aging. Why wouldn’t the regeneration restore cell health and metabolic function on the transplant recipient to an equivalent state?
That was something of a mcguffin, never really spelled out. It appeared to rely on bone marrow, and since all of Logan’s skeleton was ensheathed in adamantium, there was no easy access. The plan appeared to be to cut off his claws to open those bones as the access route, then drill into the bones, and then [magic happens] and poof, the ability transfers, leaving the recipient the regenerating one and Logan somehow not able to restore himself at all.
Okay, that part is a bit clumsy. Even if you could somehow achieve the ability to have the regeneration work for you by stealing his bone marrow or whatever, that still doesn’t explain how Logan would lose the regeneration ability himself. That super biotechnology Viper chick is a wizard, she did it.
His dream was somehow a twisted reflection of reality. She didn’t have to physically transform, it was in his head. That device seemed to be a type of robotic spider with nasty chemical talents or something, so she merely needed to insert it into his skin and let it crawl where it was programmed to go, while he was asleep. He’d heal and have no traces of the implantation.
Okay, I’ll grant you that one and the memory thing about WWII. Wasn’t he getting memories restored or something?
Two questions I had: when Viper takes Mariko, and tells her she was picked because she is weak, she inserts her fingertip up Mariko’s chin. Was she implanting something? What was that? Nothing else ever comes of that.
Also, Viper’s venom talent didn’t make much sense to me. She spits venom onto her victims, okay, but then apparently she can clean it off and restore their health, too?
I’ll grant a few plot holes, but nothing nearly as egregious as ST:ID, and I thought it was very entertaining.
It was an ok mutant/superhero movie, with extra points because I like Japan, but those freaky bone spur claws he grows at the end are gross and just disturbing as hell.
Not cool.
Straight out of the previous movie. Weird as hell, but also from the comic book.
Just because it’s canon doesn’t mean I have to like it. 
Besides, I skipped the previous one because it was supposed to be such a stinker, so I didn’t know they were coming.
IIRC, this one doesn’t have much to do with the comics. Several of the characters are from there in some fashion, but more of an inspiration. The Wolverine: Origins movie hewed closer to the comic in some respects, then other bits were just stuck in there for no reason.
All of that is just window dressing. The core story (about Family and inheritance etc.) could be told without any Sci Fi elements at all.
I disagree. I mean, unless you’re talking about at the level where there are only 7 basic stories, or whatever the magic number is, and every story told is just a variation on those 7 forms.
This story involves a regenerative power that conveys practical immortality. Without that, it wouldn’t be the same story. Sure, you can tell a story about a former hero who lost his way, and had to find redemption. Sure, you can tell a story about an ambitious billionaire who fakes his own death, bypasses his son to install his granddaughter as a puppet to serve in his place. Sure, you can tell a story about a goverment official that hires his enemy, the Yakuza, to abduct and/or murder his wife/fiance because she was going to leave him anyway. There are lots of story elements there that could be told without the plot point of Wolverine. But then it wouldn’t be Wolverine.