Things MEN do to make themselves attractive to WOMEN that don't make them attractive to women

I was hoping more women would be turned off by how stupid and aggressive we men can be when we are 13-25. Usually we calm down in our mid 20s, but I’m honestly disappointed more people haven’t mentioned the stereotype of the brainless, alpha male, jerkish, jersey shore persona as a turn off. Instead everyone is mentioning too much cologne or too much muscle.

Also if a guy is built like a professional bodybuilder he probably isn’t doing it to get women. He is probably doing it to compensate for deep seated feelings of vulnerability. ‘little boys in gorilla suits’ as bodybuilder Bob Paris used to say.

Also who wants dick pics?

I think a balding man is more attractive if he doesn’t do the combover or toupee thing.

As my father says about his (lack) of hair “All men are given an equal number of hormones. If you choose to use yours growing hair, that’s your business.”

Your Harley does not make you attractive to me.

Who? Who?

What, you don’t have a digital camera and an internet connection? :stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah, that’s all a turn-off, too. I think people have touched on it a bit - the bragging, boasting, swaggering dude.

AHHHH! Dick-rolled! :smiley:

This may not be the correct place to post this, but I despise truck commercials that are all super-macho and manly. I feel the subliminal message is that “you need a truck this big to haul around your HUGE penis.”

It worries me that guys might buy into that, and think we buy into it too. Like they’re more of a man if they drive a big-ass truck. I don’t know about you, but a guy’s vehicle isn’t that critical to me. Preferably, he has a vehicle. If it’s nice, cool. If it’s an unnecessarily HUGE truck, I might roll my eyes, but I’m sure there are things about me that might make a guy roll his eyes too. :wink:

If a man claims to be an inventor, or poet, or whatever, he needs to be able to back up those claims. I was friends with a guy (we played D&D together) who was always telling potential dates that he was an inventor, a poet, and an entrepeneur. His inventions consisted of a few scribbled notes on random ideas he’d had. So were his poems. For that matter, so were his businesses. He talked a great game, but when it came time to back it up, all he could show was a notebook full of inventions that needed a bit more work, poems that needed a lot more editing, and business plans that needed much more research and funding. He’d never had any invention put on the market, he’d never been published at all, and he’d certainly never started a business. And this was in the 80s, and he was a wizard at programming and troubleshooting. He could have easily done some consulting on the side (he worked a very mundane job) with almost no investment and no trouble…except that it would cut into his TV watching time. I offered to help him get started in the business, and that was his excuse. When he asked me why he never got second dates, I told him the truth…that he was attractive enough, but that his constant bragging with nothing to back it up was a huge red flag to most women. He didn’t like hearing this, and didn’t talk to me for a while, and then he moved out of state.

If you’re helping your parents while gainfully employed, then my criticism obviously doesn’t apply to you.

Whups, wrong thread.

I have been in gyms off and on for more than 25 years (if there was more on and less off I would look a lot different). That assessment does not compute. I think it is more like the mentality that grabs people who tattoo excessively. They do one and like how it looks and makes them feel. And it just builds on itself. Nothing more than someone finding something that makes them feel good and taking it to an extreme. The extreme bodybuilders I know think of themselves as walking pieces of art. Just like those who are full of tattoos. And yes it does get them women. Maybe the majority of women do not like the look. But a minority of women* really * like it.

For the record I do not own or ever will own a motorcycle. But I was once told in great detail by a woman that everytime she rode on a Harley the vibrations gave her multiple orgasms. YMMV :smiley:

I hate Harleys. A motorcycle, yes. Not a Harley. I don’t exactly mind people who own Harleys, provided they do just because they like it, but it is wrapped up in many men’s ego to own one.

And the loud pipes! Loud pipes are an instant dealbreaker. What, I want to go deaf with you?

I like small, fast motorcycles anyway.

Isn’t that pathological? It’s like comfort-eating or hoarding. Obssessive behavour, likely culminating in diminishing returns. Both practices are so public too: how can they not be about projecting an image when you look like a walking cartoon or a waxed gorilla?

Certainly. I’m not saying its healthy or good. I just think that the trope that someone is making up for their inadequacies or vulnerability is a bunch of hooey. Driven and obsessed? Yes. Vulnerable? No.

Apparently its not about the noise, its the vibration. So i’ve been told.

Any man telling me the price of his things is repugnant to me. It deeply offends me, that you think this will impress me.

Bragging on your high school/uni/frat drunken, fighting great times. It wasn’t that amusing then, it’s sad you think it’s amusing now.

Bragging on your glory days playing sport. I’m sure you were a hot 10yr old star with a wicked arm, or all the cheerleaders swooned over your awesome play. But if you still need to relive these events, well, I’m going to wonder what’s up with you.

Screamers and shouters. Men who use these tactics to intimidate, during arguments, with others in conflict, whatever. I’m already gone.

Maybe guys think women respond to dick pics the same way they respond to boob pics. Nope, sorry. For the most part, dicks are ridiculous. I had a poster on this board send me an unsolicited .gif of him jacking it. I laughed and laughed and laughed, but was not turned on,

Yeah, definitely the dick pics thing is true. One other thing that always skeeves me out are personal ads that champion their prowess and/or eagerness to perform oral sex.

I totally get it if it’s an ad for NSA sex, but it’s not that uncommon to see it in the midst of seemingly normal ads looking for relationships. "I really like Avatar and Rage Against the Machine, my favorite type of food is Mexican, and I totally love eating the pussy and my old girlfriends say I’m amazing at it! :wink: "

Ugh. Please no. Not only is it skeevy, but I generally automatically presume anyone so gauche and clueless to put this in the ad is probably not good at it either. If you can make women uncomfortable and unsettled just in text by being utterly disassociated with reality, how good can you possibly be at pleasing an actual woman once you get your hands on one?

Also, don’t mention your dick size in the ad either, including not-so-vague allusions to its general size. Really, any overt sexual stuff just seems weird. Yeah, we all know that we’re looking for a relationship and that includes sex – but it’s weird to throw it out there immediately before I even know your first name.

I think I have to call bullshit.

The consensus seems to be women don’t like guys who:
work out too much
show overt displays of wealth
party too much
smell like anything
dress too well, too plain or not well enough
spend time on their hair (or try to hide that they are losing their hair)
drive a sports car (especially convertible), truck or motorcycle
make any indication of how strong, tough, wealthy, successful, athletic or popular they are
isn’t a jock, guido, hipster, metrosexual, player, IT nerd
Conversely, that would presume the idea man for many of you is:
scrawny and weak or overweight
poor
nice (but not too nice)?
sober
bald
takes public transportation
humble
so sylistically neutral as to likely not be noticed

Look, women clearly go for guys who are fit, good looking, rich, charming, successful, confident, and put together. They just don’t want the guy to LOOK like he spends a lot of time and effort being fit, good looking, rich, charming, successful, confident, and put together. Or even worse trying too hard and failing. Because then it’s not magical and romantic. It’s a carefully crafted marketing brand.
Plus if any of this were correct, The Situation wouldn’t have a job and every town between Sandy Hook and LBI would be very different on Friday and Saturday nights. There clearly is a large population of women who like the greased up meathead guido look. Coincidently, there is a strong overlap between that population and the population of girls who will get drunk and sleep with a guy they just met in a bar.

A guy who has no problem getting women should probably chime in and call bullshit on a few things:

Tattoos: bullshit. Racy, tattooed hot women and also uptight, conservative women who tell you they don’t like tattoos go bonkers over tattoos on a guy who has his act together and can be professional, cool, nerdy, smart, hip, etc.

Dress nice… but don’t look ‘sexy’, guys: TRUE. Look ‘sharp’. Look and feel sharp = attractive.

Trucks: BULLSHIT. A clean, classy, big truck (say a Dodge Ram) = attractive.

I routinely call women on their bullshit. Tattoos and trucks and claims these are obnoxious and not attractive = bullshit. Put Adam Levine in a new Dodge Ram and strip him of his fame and he’s not putting any women off. He’ll be fine, provided he dresses well.

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Obviously, people vary. I see a truck (at least, a clean city truck) and think, “Oh, man…bet that thing gets gas footage!” and know our priorities are probably too different for a good match. A work truck, battered and used? Probably different, but then I want to tread carefully and make sure we’re not going to have a conservative/liberal divide too great too cross. My SO had a battered Ford Somethingorother when we met; I gave him a chance anyway. :wink:

Tattoos, I gots 'em. I like 'em. I especially like them when they’re a surprise - when they’re covered by work wear and revealed in casual settings. To me, that’s the perfect balance of Good Provider and Bad Boy. Yum! Adam Levine - perfect example. The man can wear a suit and you’d never know his skin was a work of art. But take off his shirt, and now he’s got stories to tell.

Really, just like the Woman thread, it’s all about the middle ground. No one likes too much makeup, but few truly prefer no makeup at all. No one likes too much muscle, but yeah, we’re not generally flocking after the underweight, either. No one likes too much perfume/cologne, but just a hint of good smell, bottle or natural, is a turn on. We don’t like braggers, but we’re not into terminally insecure, either.

And, of course, what we lust after isn’t necessarily what we end up taking to the altar, or even the bedroom. I drool over Bad Boys, but don’t get involved with them. I’ve dated plenty of Tortured Poets, 'cause I find them sexy as hell. I was wise enough not to marry any of them, despite several proposals. Adam Levine winds all my bobbins, but even were we alone together with a bottle of tequila…oh, who’m I kidding… Yeah, I’d do him in a hot second! But I don’t kid myself that we’d end up Happily Ever After.

Sexiness in either gender is about confidence and sincerity. Once you can fake those, you’re golden.

The corresponding thread for what women are doing wrong would have you believe that all men hate high heels , makeup, big boobs, and blonde hair. So… you know.

But I think you’re playing the excluded middle game, when you know that isn’t really the case. In fact, you’ve summed it up very well here, and I’m pretty sure it applies to both genders: